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By default? I doubt it would be useful or desirable for 95% of users. I'm guessing most people find natural language easiest to read, STE seems to be like a pro

By default? I doubt it would be useful or desirable for 95% of users. I'm guessing most people find natural language easiest to read, STE seems to be like a project almost akin to Esperanto or Lojban.

troupo 17d ago
STE is a much more natural language than whatever Anthropic's models produce: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49528326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49528326
- streetfighter64 16d ago
  I don't know, in my experience the chat output has been fairly natural. The quoted sentence seems to be from some "model internals". Of course that can be incomprehensible, what an AI assistant is really doing is just statistically generating text with some bells and whistles to make it do useful stuff. Poking around in the internals doesn't seem like a good use of time? Comparable to cat:ing a compressed file, of course you get garbage. I'm talking about the value of making the output in STE style, which doesn't seem useful. The value of having internal stuff in a given writing style would have to be evaluated as to whether it improves model performance.
  - troupo 15d ago
    > The quoted sentence seems to be from some "model internals". I get these kinds of responses all the time. > I'm talking about the value of making the output in STE style, which doesn't seem useful. It is extremely useful. Because model output is literally what you wrote: "statistically generating text with some bells and whistles to make it do useful stuff". And in the past few months all Anthropic models have been outputting insanely bloated jargon-laden bullshit. If I see another "this leg of the decision tree holds the simple fact", I will scream. I don't want this "internal" monologue when it talks to me, writes documents, or outputs comments in code. It's so bad that Anthropic employees have admitted it, including the top-voted comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49525809 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49525809

troupo 17d ago

STE is a much more natural language than whatever Anthropic's models produce: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49528326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49528326

streetfighter64 16d ago
I don't know, in my experience the chat output has been fairly natural. The quoted sentence seems to be from some "model internals". Of course that can be incomprehensible, what an AI assistant is really doing is just statistically generating text with some bells and whistles to make it do useful stuff. Poking around in the internals doesn't seem like a good use of time? Comparable to cat:ing a compressed file, of course you get garbage. I'm talking about the value of making the output in STE style, which doesn't seem useful. The value of having internal stuff in a given writing style would have to be evaluated as to whether it improves model performance.
- troupo 15d ago
  > The quoted sentence seems to be from some "model internals". I get these kinds of responses all the time. > I'm talking about the value of making the output in STE style, which doesn't seem useful. It is extremely useful. Because model output is literally what you wrote: "statistically generating text with some bells and whistles to make it do useful stuff". And in the past few months all Anthropic models have been outputting insanely bloated jargon-laden bullshit. If I see another "this leg of the decision tree holds the simple fact", I will scream. I don't want this "internal" monologue when it talks to me, writes documents, or outputs comments in code. It's so bad that Anthropic employees have admitted it, including the top-voted comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49525809 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49525809