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Firefox used to be amazing, but they squandered their market share with bad decisions and stagnation. Maybe one day they'll see the light, but not likely, given

Firefox used to be amazing, but they squandered their market share with bad decisions and stagnation. Maybe one day they'll see the light, but not likely, given their recent ai additions...

TimTheTinker 15d ago
Rumors of Firefox's death have been circling for at least 15 years now... somehow it's kept going despite odd incentives and bad corporate decisions.
- 1970-01-01 15d ago
  Both can be true. Progressing without innovation only works when your product is Coca-Cola or Bic lighters. FireFox as a name or brand is nowhere near it's former v1.0-3.0 glory days.
  - TimTheTinker 15d ago
    Perhaps, but is there any modern browser name or brand that inspires the kind of fierce loyalty Firefox did 20 years ago? It was the alternative to IE6, the first rays of dawn bringing hope to to a desolate, war-torn funereal valley of culpable corporate complacence. Hatred for IE6 drove people to Firefox more than anything else - IE was horrible. Firefox users crowdfunded a two-page ad in the New York Times, mostly to get people to move off of IE6.
    - 1970-01-01 15d ago
      I think software loyalty is stuck at an all time low. Even the OS wars are over. People are stuck with subscription models. Almost everything has a cloud-based or SaaS service that works on everything. Nobody cares enough to fight about what browser they are using unless it is to fiddle around with adblockers.
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      - TimTheTinker 15d ago
        Part of it is the psychology of owning vs renting. No one loves a rented house, but the landlord still wins.
soperj 15d ago
They were competing with the biggest advertiser in the world who put an ad about their own browser on the front page of the biggest search engine in the world. Not sure it was entirely their own doing.
- kova12 15d ago
  Wasn't something in their new ToS that turned many of us against them? I don't think advertisement was the issue
  - nickthegreek 15d ago
    That turned off a fraction of a fraction of users. And I believe i was largely misunderstood. There are also Firefox forks of somehow that was a bridge too far. I don’t understand how the answer would be to jump to chrome as if they have a better ToS.
  - broodbucket 15d ago
    It's not "us" that matters, assuming that means very on-the-pulse power user types. We're a tiny fraction of users. Over 99% of users have probably never even spared a thought for the ToS.

Firefox used to be amazing, but they squandered their market share with bad decisions and stagnation. Maybe one day they'll see the light, but not likely, given their recent ai additions...

TimTheTinker 15d ago

Rumors of Firefox's death have been circling for at least 15 years now... somehow it's kept going despite odd incentives and bad corporate decisions.

1970-01-01 15d ago
Both can be true. Progressing without innovation only works when your product is Coca-Cola or Bic lighters. FireFox as a name or brand is nowhere near it's former v1.0-3.0 glory days.
- TimTheTinker 15d ago
  Perhaps, but is there any modern browser name or brand that inspires the kind of fierce loyalty Firefox did 20 years ago? It was the alternative to IE6, the first rays of dawn bringing hope to to a desolate, war-torn funereal valley of culpable corporate complacence. Hatred for IE6 drove people to Firefox more than anything else - IE was horrible. Firefox users crowdfunded a two-page ad in the New York Times, mostly to get people to move off of IE6.
  - 1970-01-01 15d ago
    I think software loyalty is stuck at an all time low. Even the OS wars are over. People are stuck with subscription models. Almost everything has a cloud-based or SaaS service that works on everything. Nobody cares enough to fight about what browser they are using unless it is to fiddle around with adblockers.
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    - TimTheTinker 15d ago
      Part of it is the psychology of owning vs renting. No one loves a rented house, but the landlord still wins.

soperj 15d ago

They were competing with the biggest advertiser in the world who put an ad about their own browser on the front page of the biggest search engine in the world. Not sure it was entirely their own doing.

kova12 15d ago
Wasn't something in their new ToS that turned many of us against them? I don't think advertisement was the issue
- nickthegreek 15d ago
  That turned off a fraction of a fraction of users. And I believe i was largely misunderstood. There are also Firefox forks of somehow that was a bridge too far. I don’t understand how the answer would be to jump to chrome as if they have a better ToS.
- broodbucket 15d ago
  It's not "us" that matters, assuming that means very on-the-pulse power user types. We're a tiny fraction of users. Over 99% of users have probably never even spared a thought for the ToS.