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In a world without patents and copyright, there's nothing stopping companies from just hiring the Pinkertons or something to threaten you into compliance. These

In a world without patents and copyright, there's nothing stopping companies from just hiring the Pinkertons or something to threaten you into compliance. These sort of 'if we just get rid of patents things will be great' ideals will just benefit large corporations with the capital to get their way anyways. This doesn't mean our current system of patents and copyrights doesn't favor them either especially as they shred it to train their AI models but it's not a system you can fix by simply tearing it all down.

izacus 15d ago
That's just absolute nonsense, where do you get these kind of ideas? Just because you don't have monopoly on your stupid ideas, you don't get to hire Pinkerton's to beat others.
- fzeroracer 15d ago
  It's not exactly an old thing. Wizards of the Coast hired the Pinkertons to seize cards and harass people extra-legally as recent at 2023. As I said, even if you remove the legal barriers preventing control over IP companies can and do operate on the fringe of or outside of the law to enforce it anyways.
  - iamnothere 15d ago
    If that were to happen on a large scale, people could band together to provide security/resistance. Since what you’re suggesting is a complete collapse of rule of law. If IP law is the only thing preventing society from descending into anarchy, then maybe we deserve anarchy.
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    - bugbull 15d ago
      > If that were to happen on a large scale, people could band together to provide security/resistance. Oh wait. I’ve heard this one before. Just send in the national guard. A couple of well placed free speech donations with some winks and nods should be able to break that sort of terrorist organization.
      - iamnothere 15d ago
        If you truly believe this and aren’t just spouting off, I hope you’re either making plans to move or gearing up for the inevitable civil conflict. Given your green account I’m sure you’re just trolling.
        bugbull 15d ago
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        salawat 15d ago
        Don't assume people are trolling. That's how we got where we are. The response to "No one could possibly be that daft..." Is "Of course they can, and they aren't going to disappear if you ignore them."
  - scythe 15d ago
    The Pinkerton incident involved WotC protecting a trade secret, generally the least controversial part of IP law. This was not a case of a mobbed up card vendor roughing up a competitor. People can reasonably object to the tactics used, but the distribution of materials that were never approved for release is a small fraction of piracy and one where the grey hats start to get a little darker.

izacus 15d ago

That's just absolute nonsense, where do you get these kind of ideas? Just because you don't have monopoly on your stupid ideas, you don't get to hire Pinkerton's to beat others.

fzeroracer 15d ago
It's not exactly an old thing. Wizards of the Coast hired the Pinkertons to seize cards and harass people extra-legally as recent at 2023. As I said, even if you remove the legal barriers preventing control over IP companies can and do operate on the fringe of or outside of the law to enforce it anyways.
- iamnothere 15d ago
  If that were to happen on a large scale, people could band together to provide security/resistance. Since what you’re suggesting is a complete collapse of rule of law. If IP law is the only thing preventing society from descending into anarchy, then maybe we deserve anarchy.
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  - bugbull 15d ago
    > If that were to happen on a large scale, people could band together to provide security/resistance. Oh wait. I’ve heard this one before. Just send in the national guard. A couple of well placed free speech donations with some winks and nods should be able to break that sort of terrorist organization.
    - iamnothere 15d ago
      If you truly believe this and aren’t just spouting off, I hope you’re either making plans to move or gearing up for the inevitable civil conflict. Given your green account I’m sure you’re just trolling.
      - bugbull 15d ago
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      - salawat 15d ago
        Don't assume people are trolling. That's how we got where we are. The response to "No one could possibly be that daft..." Is "Of course they can, and they aren't going to disappear if you ignore them."
- scythe 15d ago
  The Pinkerton incident involved WotC protecting a trade secret, generally the least controversial part of IP law. This was not a case of a mobbed up card vendor roughing up a competitor. People can reasonably object to the tactics used, but the distribution of materials that were never approved for release is a small fraction of piracy and one where the grey hats start to get a little darker.