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oh, if it seems like i don’t think we should have privacy, i apologize. that’s not at all what i meant. my point is, going after flock alone is not even close

by toofy 15d ago

oh, if it seems like i don’t think we should have privacy, i apologize. that’s not at all what i meant. my point is, going after flock alone is not even close to enough. i’ve read articles that say flock logs dents/scratches/paint fades/etc… on cars as well. we would be absolutely ridiculously naive to delude ourselves that they’re not pairing up and merging data with all of the other similar aggregators such as grocery stores, gas stations, etc.. who we know for absolute certain are absolutely actively collecting and using facial recognition, apps, bluetooth, wifi signals, frequent shopper cards, credit card data, etc… we know for sure they’re doing this. and we’d be crazy to think flock isnt merging this data, especially considering that every grocery store parking lot is crawling with the little video surveillance pods. i think we’re being ridiculous framing this as simply a flock issue. there are countless surveillance companies doing this all over… not just flock. while it’s one of the more ubiquitous, we need to stop more than just flock. this has to be stopped at the root. but yes, i do think it’s wise to use flock as the vehicle to raise awareness, but we’d be naive af to imply it’s “just flock” and that something like an llc would be anything other than trivial for their surveillance aggregation to overcome.

mannanj 15d ago
hmm, sorry as well if I came off a bit strong. I can see that there's a bigger issue at hand of a holistic set of entities and groups targeting us and surveilling us in as many changes as they can. where I struggle to understand you is when you talk about all the ways we could be watched but where I am hearing some resigning. OK so what if the stores have facial recognition? Wear a mask or protect your face. It isn't illegal to hide your face. Bluetooth and wifi, so what, do you know you don't need to have those on when you enter into a store. I have been slowly over the years improving my phone use behavior, and now most of the time I don't feel like I'm in an emergency state where my phone needs to be used and not on airplane mode, I use cash more though I also use a credit card too. At least using a credit card and still doing the car-llc protection thing means a police officer won't be harassing you and easily fining you by license plate (I experienced cop harassment in Dallas last year being a Pakistani-muslim looking man, when they were hotly accusing muslims in the area of sharia law twice police pulled me over in white neighborhoods where I lived and cost my thousands in lawyer fees with 0 responsibility on their side - "qualified immunity"). I felt safe and protected not owning a car after that. If I decided to not do anything at all, I would have epxposed my self to continual harassment. This is one part of the whole solution. Who cares if all those groups and entities are doing all those things, protect yourself against them all theres a way to do so in all scenarios. You lose when you feel powerless and pessimistic, not when you acknowledge all the risks and choose to do one thing at a time as you can. What do you think we do to stop this at the root?

by toofy 15d ago

mannanj 15d ago

hmm, sorry as well if I came off a bit strong. I can see that there's a bigger issue at hand of a holistic set of entities and groups targeting us and surveilling us in as many changes as they can. where I struggle to understand you is when you talk about all the ways we could be watched but where I am hearing some resigning. OK so what if the stores have facial recognition? Wear a mask or protect your face. It isn't illegal to hide your face. Bluetooth and wifi, so what, do you know you don't need to have those on when you enter into a store. I have been slowly over the years improving my phone use behavior, and now most of the time I don't feel like I'm in an emergency state where my phone needs to be used and not on airplane mode, I use cash more though I also use a credit card too. At least using a credit card and still doing the car-llc protection thing means a police officer won't be harassing you and easily fining you by license plate (I experienced cop harassment in Dallas last year being a Pakistani-muslim looking man, when they were hotly accusing muslims in the area of sharia law twice police pulled me over in white neighborhoods where I lived and cost my thousands in lawyer fees with 0 responsibility on their side - "qualified immunity"). I felt safe and protected not owning a car after that. If I decided to not do anything at all, I would have epxposed my self to continual harassment. This is one part of the whole solution. Who cares if all those groups and entities are doing all those things, protect yourself against them all theres a way to do so in all scenarios. You lose when you feel powerless and pessimistic, not when you acknowledge all the risks and choose to do one thing at a time as you can. What do you think we do to stop this at the root?