12 ms·

You always have the power to accept timelines. And they have the power to fire you. Instead of trying to accept the impossible, I would persist in explaining th

by mcv 17d ago

You always have the power to accept timelines. And they have the power to fire you. Instead of trying to accept the impossible, I would persist in explaining the reality. They can reject your message, they can reject you, but they can't reject reality. Be honest and look for someplace better if they refuse to accept it. That is in my opinion the only way to handle this responsibly. The problem is that everybody has multiple responsibilities: if finding a new job is hard, and you've got rent to pay and a family to feed, you get into the territory of balancing the risks. Even so, I think it's always best to be clear and honest in your communication about timelines and expectations. If they reject them and insist on unrealistic timelines, point out the problems with those timelines, tell them it's their responsibility if it fails, so they can't blame it on you when it does fail.

vikramkr 16d ago
I mean that's mostly true in theory - and we're assuming good faith from the author of the blog that they were honest and clear in their communications of course (definitely strongly agree with you on that point). But that's still a very optimistic view of the power dynamic. It's generally not meaningful to say that someone technically has the power to do xyz (rejecting a timeline) because nothing literally physically stops them from doing it when there are severe consequences (getting fired) that come from it. Also, > tell them it's their responsibility if it fails, so they can't blame it on you when it does fail. That's definitely not how any of this works. They can absolutely blame whoever they want and often have the power dynamic in place to get away with it. Especially in this case where they'll just say the author was given a senior title and a raise so it's on them to deliver and their attempts to shift the blame to management won't work to cover up the engineers failure to deliver etc. You just have no leverage as an engineer joining a company that doesn't care or doesn't need devs to the extent they go extended periods of time without a single one. And if you don't build that leverage within the company you pretty much have no option but to go somewhere else if put in a bad situation.
- mcv 15d ago
  What also matters is how severe firing is for you. It's not the same for everybody. > And if you don't build that leverage within the company you pretty much have no option but to go somewhere else if put in a bad situation. I think that's often the better option, when the situation is that toxic. Better than staying.

by mcv 17d ago

vikramkr 16d ago

I mean that's mostly true in theory - and we're assuming good faith from the author of the blog that they were honest and clear in their communications of course (definitely strongly agree with you on that point). But that's still a very optimistic view of the power dynamic. It's generally not meaningful to say that someone technically has the power to do xyz (rejecting a timeline) because nothing literally physically stops them from doing it when there are severe consequences (getting fired) that come from it. Also, > tell them it's their responsibility if it fails, so they can't blame it on you when it does fail. That's definitely not how any of this works. They can absolutely blame whoever they want and often have the power dynamic in place to get away with it. Especially in this case where they'll just say the author was given a senior title and a raise so it's on them to deliver and their attempts to shift the blame to management won't work to cover up the engineers failure to deliver etc. You just have no leverage as an engineer joining a company that doesn't care or doesn't need devs to the extent they go extended periods of time without a single one. And if you don't build that leverage within the company you pretty much have no option but to go somewhere else if put in a bad situation.

mcv 15d ago
What also matters is how severe firing is for you. It's not the same for everybody. > And if you don't build that leverage within the company you pretty much have no option but to go somewhere else if put in a bad situation. I think that's often the better option, when the situation is that toxic. Better than staying.