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That's pure fiction. Cite your sources.

by bjourne 17d ago

consumer451 17d ago
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2016/07/13/are-fossil-fuel-interests-bankrolling-the-anti-nuclear-energy-movement/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2016/07/13/are-f... https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/ https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/ https://truthout.org/articles/top-oil-and-gas-lobby-spent-more-in-pennsylvania-than-other-states-last-year/ https://truthout.org/articles/top-oil-and-gas-lobby-spent-mo... http://climatecoalition.org/how-american-petroleum-institute-fakes-antinuclear-action/ http://climatecoalition.org/how-american-petroleum-institute... (sorry, no https) Russia has huge influence in German politics. I believe there is connection there as well, but I cannot find any public information to cite regarding funding of anti-nuclear power movements.
- bjourne 17d ago
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  - consumer451 17d ago
    I gave you links that support my argument, very well. I am not sure what else you want. Quotes from each one, inline? If you don't have the time to read what I posted, and understand how it applies to this thread, then please copy and paste this thread into an LLM chat bot, and ask for clarity. I just tried that, and even an LLM understood my response.
    - bjourne 17d ago
      Holy fuck, Batman. No one's interested in that LLM verbiage. You made specific claims. Claim A: "Environmentalist groups were in some cases entirely formed by fossil fuel interests." It's clear from context that you're talking about genuine organizations and not astroturfing. So far you've not named a single one that was "entirely formed by fossil fuel interests." Hence, pure fiction.
      - consumer451 17d ago
        This is the most obtuse interaction I have ever had on this website. Is this simple enough? > In 1969, Robert O. Anderson, an oil man whose long career included a stint as the Chief Executive Officer of Atlantic Richfield (ARCO) (now part of BP, the company formerly known as British Petroleum), gave David Brower $200,000 to start Friends of the Earth (FOE). https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/ https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/
        bjourne 17d ago
        You think it is obtuse because your lies are being called out. FotE was founded by David Brower, Donald Aitken, and Gary Soucie as its Wikipedia page and multiple other sources corroborate. Emphatically, it was not "entirely formed by fossil fuel interests". Hence, your claim is a lie. Moreover, Robert O. Anderson donated a large portion of his fortune to philanthropic causes. Among them, an art museum and a literary magazine. $200k was chump change to him. Anderson's philanthropy was his own personal interest and had nothing to do with the "fossil fuel" industry. So unless you want to make the rather dubious claim that Harper's Magazine was bankrolled by the fossil fuel industry, you have nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Orville_Anderson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Orville_Anderson

That's pure fiction. Cite your sources.

by bjourne 17d ago

That's pure fiction. Cite your sources.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2016/07/13/are-fossil-fuel-interests-bankrolling-the-anti-nuclear-energy-movement/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2016/07/13/are-f... https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/ https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/ https://truthout.org/articles/top-oil-and-gas-lobby-spent-more-in-pennsylvania-than-other-states-last-year/ https://truthout.org/articles/top-oil-and-gas-lobby-spent-mo... http://climatecoalition.org/how-american-petroleum-institute-fakes-antinuclear-action/ http://climatecoalition.org/how-american-petroleum-institute... (sorry, no https) Russia has huge influence in German politics. I believe there is connection there as well, but I cannot find any public information to cite regarding funding of anti-nuclear power movements.

bjourne 17d ago
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- consumer451 17d ago
  I gave you links that support my argument, very well. I am not sure what else you want. Quotes from each one, inline? If you don't have the time to read what I posted, and understand how it applies to this thread, then please copy and paste this thread into an LLM chat bot, and ask for clarity. I just tried that, and even an LLM understood my response.
  - bjourne 17d ago
    Holy fuck, Batman. No one's interested in that LLM verbiage. You made specific claims. Claim A: "Environmentalist groups were in some cases entirely formed by fossil fuel interests." It's clear from context that you're talking about genuine organizations and not astroturfing. So far you've not named a single one that was "entirely formed by fossil fuel interests." Hence, pure fiction.
    - consumer451 17d ago
      This is the most obtuse interaction I have ever had on this website. Is this simple enough? > In 1969, Robert O. Anderson, an oil man whose long career included a stint as the Chief Executive Officer of Atlantic Richfield (ARCO) (now part of BP, the company formerly known as British Petroleum), gave David Brower $200,000 to start Friends of the Earth (FOE). https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/ https://atomicinsights.com/smoking-gun-robert-anderson/
      - bjourne 17d ago
        You think it is obtuse because your lies are being called out. FotE was founded by David Brower, Donald Aitken, and Gary Soucie as its Wikipedia page and multiple other sources corroborate. Emphatically, it was not "entirely formed by fossil fuel interests". Hence, your claim is a lie. Moreover, Robert O. Anderson donated a large portion of his fortune to philanthropic causes. Among them, an art museum and a literary magazine. $200k was chump change to him. Anderson's philanthropy was his own personal interest and had nothing to do with the "fossil fuel" industry. So unless you want to make the rather dubious claim that Harper's Magazine was bankrolled by the fossil fuel industry, you have nothing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_the_Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Orville_Anderson https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Orville_Anderson