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Not to support the idea that good touchpad is apple’s monopoly, but I and most people I know stop having wrist pains by giving up the mouse. If we’re talking ab

by nsonha 18d ago

Not to support the idea that good touchpad is apple’s monopoly, but I and most people I know stop having wrist pains by giving up the mouse. If we’re talking about a stupid idea that’s both inefficient and a health hazard, the mouse is it. All the other pointing devices (trackball, trackpoint, rolling mouse etc) make sense one way or another

televisionsaval 18d ago
Needing a 3rd hand for a peripheral is naturally a flawed idea. The only reason I prefer the mouse over the palm trackpad is because it can't interfere while probably still having to use it occasionally. The track point and trackball were better interfaces than both but they weren't a great platform for making Apple look innovative.
- nsonha 17d ago
  the 3rd hand wasn't event what I meant by inefficient, it more that you need an extra surface to move some pointer and do the least possible amount of HCI data transfer. It's so... lame in this age of mobiliy
fogx 18d ago
Yea, moving the burden from your wrists to your finger joints is surely a genius idea and the epitome of health
- nsonha 18d ago
  It would be an adequate argument if such finger pain existed
  - televisionsaval 18d ago
    I'm not sure about the overall argument.. But I think arthritis of the fingers manifests eventually for most people who work with their hands and finger movement combined with any compression on tendons exacerbates carpal tunnel syndrome. Ergonomic I/O makers are essentially experimenting on the population, but less ethically as their bias is in using a bunch of nonsense to further a dialogue that supports whichever patents they obtained. Personally I don't believe anything requiring 3 hands could be adequately tested given the freedom of movement given to the subject. I think only 2 hand home row keyboard use with specific additional positioning requirements has a flake of scientific rigour. (This is why I could only honestly support the track pointer in the home row as the least risky of the choices as it is the smallest deviation from something with a foundation.)

by nsonha 18d ago

televisionsaval 18d ago

Needing a 3rd hand for a peripheral is naturally a flawed idea. The only reason I prefer the mouse over the palm trackpad is because it can't interfere while probably still having to use it occasionally. The track point and trackball were better interfaces than both but they weren't a great platform for making Apple look innovative.

nsonha 17d ago
the 3rd hand wasn't event what I meant by inefficient, it more that you need an extra surface to move some pointer and do the least possible amount of HCI data transfer. It's so... lame in this age of mobiliy

fogx 18d ago

Yea, moving the burden from your wrists to your finger joints is surely a genius idea and the epitome of health

nsonha 18d ago
It would be an adequate argument if such finger pain existed
- televisionsaval 18d ago
  I'm not sure about the overall argument.. But I think arthritis of the fingers manifests eventually for most people who work with their hands and finger movement combined with any compression on tendons exacerbates carpal tunnel syndrome. Ergonomic I/O makers are essentially experimenting on the population, but less ethically as their bias is in using a bunch of nonsense to further a dialogue that supports whichever patents they obtained. Personally I don't believe anything requiring 3 hands could be adequately tested given the freedom of movement given to the subject. I think only 2 hand home row keyboard use with specific additional positioning requirements has a flake of scientific rigour. (This is why I could only honestly support the track pointer in the home row as the least risky of the choices as it is the smallest deviation from something with a foundation.)