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"Monopoly on the lawfully usage of force" + "regular and peaceful change of government" can go a very long way against "corporations governing the world". I'm

"Monopoly on the lawfully usage of force" + "regular and peaceful change of government" can go a very long way against "corporations governing the world". I'm curious if we'll ever get a form of civil war where corporate militias (corporate _robot_ militias in the case of xAI, of course) draw fire on good old meat policemen coming to bring the CEO to court. Sure, it may happen, but I suspect the alternatives (bribing, sending a scapegoat to jail, buying the elections, etc... and focus on the "making money" part) will stay preferable for a while.

zobzu 18d ago
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Timon3 18d ago
> "regular and peaceful change of government" This has already been broken, and they've become so much more bold since then.
- notatoad 18d ago
  The monopoly on the use of force has gotten kinda blurry as well these days. As long as people keep electing anti-government governments, the risk of technocracy is very real.
  - Timon3 18d ago
    Unfortunately this will keep happening in capitalist systems without hard wealth caps, because capitalists would rather risk the extermination of entire groups of people than risking their wealth, so they will inevitably keep spreading & stoking fascist ideas.
    - leonidasrup 18d ago
      March 1933 election "For the general election of 5 March 1933, the Nazis were allied with other nationalist and conservative factions. At a secret meeting on 20 February, major German industrialists had agreed to finance the Nazis' election campaign." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
    - germandiago 16d ago
      > capitalists would rather risk the extermination of entire groups of people than risking their wealth I think that if you study socialism in the 20th century you cannot say this seriously when you compare the alternatives.
      - Timon3 16d ago
        Ah yes, it's obviously acceptable that the richest people on this planet are deliberately and explicitly trying to pull us into fascism, because every single alternative must be even worse, because SOCIALISM! Good thing you reminded us, otherwise we might've had critical thoughts about the current system.
swader999 18d ago
I'm rooting for them vs them.

zobzu 18d ago

sir this is robocop

Timon3 18d ago

> "regular and peaceful change of government" This has already been broken, and they've become so much more bold since then.

notatoad 18d ago
The monopoly on the use of force has gotten kinda blurry as well these days. As long as people keep electing anti-government governments, the risk of technocracy is very real.
- Timon3 18d ago
  Unfortunately this will keep happening in capitalist systems without hard wealth caps, because capitalists would rather risk the extermination of entire groups of people than risking their wealth, so they will inevitably keep spreading & stoking fascist ideas.
  - leonidasrup 18d ago
    March 1933 election "For the general election of 5 March 1933, the Nazis were allied with other nationalist and conservative factions. At a secret meeting on 20 February, major German industrialists had agreed to finance the Nazis' election campaign." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
  - germandiago 16d ago
    > capitalists would rather risk the extermination of entire groups of people than risking their wealth I think that if you study socialism in the 20th century you cannot say this seriously when you compare the alternatives.
    - Timon3 16d ago
      Ah yes, it's obviously acceptable that the richest people on this planet are deliberately and explicitly trying to pull us into fascism, because every single alternative must be even worse, because SOCIALISM! Good thing you reminded us, otherwise we might've had critical thoughts about the current system.

swader999 18d ago

I'm rooting for them vs them.