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Seems completely arbitrary to me honestly. Clearly some adjustments to the criteria are needed because this list reads unmaintained vs maintained as opposed to

Seems completely arbitrary to me honestly. Clearly some adjustments to the criteria are needed because this list reads unmaintained vs maintained as opposed to complete vs incomplete.

Kwolok 19d ago
I'd love to keep improving so if you have some examples that would be great
- AnotherGoodName 19d ago
  The entire page of ‘net yet’. Counter strike 2, Dota 2, GTA 5, Red Dead Redemption etc. the list goes on. Everyone would consider these games maintained not incomplete. Maybe just merge not yet into complete? The ‘pending’ is more reasonable the ‘not yet’ list is clear nonsense.
  - Kwolok 19d ago
    But they aren't. They are live service games that are constantly getting updates and new content. They are "Complete" in the sense that you can play them, and live service games fall under a weird area where they are "finished" in the sense that they have active communities and are wildly considered released but they aren't "done" in the sense that they are always evolving, changing, and adding content. That is why most of those games listed will have the "live service" tag. This isn't really a website for figuring out if live service games are complete. Its more for determining if a singleplayer game you are interested in has released every post launch dlc.
    - rurabe 19d ago
      i would maybe clarify in the about page that it comes from a campaign lens versus a multiplayer lens
    - AnotherGoodName 19d ago
      When in Rome (or when on the web)… You need to align with the expectations of users of your site for the site to have value to those users and this doesn’t align with user expectations. People do wish to be informed if a game is missing core content and features. People in general don’t see it as a negative if new content is added to an otherwise complete game. You have a mismatch here with general consensus. This mismatch means this is a site that only has worth to yourself. Which is ok if you’re ok with that. If you want others to gain value you have to change to meet their expectations. So it’s up to you. You can stick to this idea and keep this website as you want it or you can adjust to the feedback given here and accept that these games are considered complete by the vast majority.
  - SHAKEDECADE 18d ago
    This is also true for HITMAN 2/World of Assassination. This game's whole premise is episodic releases and new targets. At this rate, the game will never be "released".
- embedding-shape 19d ago
  Cyberpunk 2077 is labeled as "Not yet. Released, but still in active development", but it's clearly a "Done" game, as in they've added a ton of stuff and development slowed since then. Still patches, yes, but should that mean "it's not done yet"? I agree it seems more to be about "receives patches still or not", which is different compared to if major feature development essentially stopped.
  - Kwolok 19d ago
    Cyberpunk is a bit of an odd one. They have pretty long stretches between releasing major content. It certainly feels "done" but it had a LONG tail of development after launch. Phantom liberty is most likely the logical place to say its fully finished but cd projekt red haven't definitely stated there is no more content coming (and there might be with edge runners 2 about to release). So I would argue the assessment is fair, its most likely done, but we can't say for sure so we flag it still. Given enough time has passed, with no communication and no more updates, it will eventually flip over to done.
    - KomoD 19d ago
      So a game is only done if you neglect it?
      - Kwolok 19d ago
        I wouldn't say this is making a judgement on neglect or care. Its just making a judgement on "Do we expect any more content coming for this game". A neglected game over time will become an answer, as will a cared for game with a "We now consider our journey complete" developer post.
    - embedding-shape 19d ago
      I'm guessing for similar reasons you have The Witcher 3, a game released more than a decade ago, labeled as "Not done yet"? I'm not sure how this is supposed to be helpful, especially not when the labels will arbitrarily change back/forth as stuff is announced or it was a long time ago you heard about anything.
- blitzar 19d ago
  Pretty sure Elden Ring is done.
  - Kwolok 19d ago
    Elden ring is still releasing content to the base game, like the Tarnished Pack which literally released today and adds some starting classes and other things. So the arguemnt which is made is that its basically not "done" and there is still more content to come
    - blitzar 19d ago
      Thats overdone - almost burnt. Felt "done" after about a year / 9 or 10 patches.

Seems completely arbitrary to me honestly. Clearly some adjustments to the criteria are needed because this list reads unmaintained vs maintained as opposed to complete vs incomplete.

Kwolok 19d ago

I'd love to keep improving so if you have some examples that would be great

AnotherGoodName 19d ago
The entire page of ‘net yet’. Counter strike 2, Dota 2, GTA 5, Red Dead Redemption etc. the list goes on. Everyone would consider these games maintained not incomplete. Maybe just merge not yet into complete? The ‘pending’ is more reasonable the ‘not yet’ list is clear nonsense.
- Kwolok 19d ago
  But they aren't. They are live service games that are constantly getting updates and new content. They are "Complete" in the sense that you can play them, and live service games fall under a weird area where they are "finished" in the sense that they have active communities and are wildly considered released but they aren't "done" in the sense that they are always evolving, changing, and adding content. That is why most of those games listed will have the "live service" tag. This isn't really a website for figuring out if live service games are complete. Its more for determining if a singleplayer game you are interested in has released every post launch dlc.
  - rurabe 19d ago
    i would maybe clarify in the about page that it comes from a campaign lens versus a multiplayer lens
  - AnotherGoodName 19d ago
    When in Rome (or when on the web)… You need to align with the expectations of users of your site for the site to have value to those users and this doesn’t align with user expectations. People do wish to be informed if a game is missing core content and features. People in general don’t see it as a negative if new content is added to an otherwise complete game. You have a mismatch here with general consensus. This mismatch means this is a site that only has worth to yourself. Which is ok if you’re ok with that. If you want others to gain value you have to change to meet their expectations. So it’s up to you. You can stick to this idea and keep this website as you want it or you can adjust to the feedback given here and accept that these games are considered complete by the vast majority.
- SHAKEDECADE 18d ago
  This is also true for HITMAN 2/World of Assassination. This game's whole premise is episodic releases and new targets. At this rate, the game will never be "released".
embedding-shape 19d ago
Cyberpunk 2077 is labeled as "Not yet. Released, but still in active development", but it's clearly a "Done" game, as in they've added a ton of stuff and development slowed since then. Still patches, yes, but should that mean "it's not done yet"? I agree it seems more to be about "receives patches still or not", which is different compared to if major feature development essentially stopped.
- Kwolok 19d ago
  Cyberpunk is a bit of an odd one. They have pretty long stretches between releasing major content. It certainly feels "done" but it had a LONG tail of development after launch. Phantom liberty is most likely the logical place to say its fully finished but cd projekt red haven't definitely stated there is no more content coming (and there might be with edge runners 2 about to release). So I would argue the assessment is fair, its most likely done, but we can't say for sure so we flag it still. Given enough time has passed, with no communication and no more updates, it will eventually flip over to done.
  - KomoD 19d ago
    So a game is only done if you neglect it?
    - Kwolok 19d ago
      I wouldn't say this is making a judgement on neglect or care. Its just making a judgement on "Do we expect any more content coming for this game". A neglected game over time will become an answer, as will a cared for game with a "We now consider our journey complete" developer post.
  - embedding-shape 19d ago
    I'm guessing for similar reasons you have The Witcher 3, a game released more than a decade ago, labeled as "Not done yet"? I'm not sure how this is supposed to be helpful, especially not when the labels will arbitrarily change back/forth as stuff is announced or it was a long time ago you heard about anything.
blitzar 19d ago
Pretty sure Elden Ring is done.
- Kwolok 19d ago
  Elden ring is still releasing content to the base game, like the Tarnished Pack which literally released today and adds some starting classes and other things. So the arguemnt which is made is that its basically not "done" and there is still more content to come
  - blitzar 19d ago
    Thats overdone - almost burnt. Felt "done" after about a year / 9 or 10 patches.