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Devil's advocate: showing the relevant keyboard shortcuts in the UI can be overwhelming (or at least one of many parts that all together become overwhelming) to
by Telaneo 19d ago
Devil's advocate: showing the relevant keyboard shortcuts in the UI can be overwhelming (or at least one of many parts that all together become overwhelming) to new users, while not having them shown at all makes them undiscoverable.
I think this is a bad reason. Even MS Office has made this work. But I've seen people act on this type of argument. If nothing else, it should be possible to have a settings menu where you can define your own. Even if no shortcuts are set by default and they aren't shown anywhere else in the UI, it will still be possible for a power user to make the best use of the program.
- marcosdumay 19d ago> showing the relevant keyboard shortcuts in the UI can be overwhelming Every application did it for decades after the first Xerox guidelines up until Microsoft and Apple decided to retire the concept of usability some time around 2010.
- toast0 19d ago> showing the relevant keyboard shortcuts in the UI can be overwhelming Underlining the accelerator key is subtle and shouldn't be overwelming. Keyboard navigation unaware users probably won't even notice.
- Telaneo 19d agoThis works poorly if you intend to localise your application. Great if you don't though.
- wtallis 19d agoIt sounds like your complaint might be that it works poorly if you half-ass the localization process and assume that literal translation of strings is most or all of what localization means.
- Telaneo 19d agoI'm not sure how you read that from my comment. To be fair to your point though, that's what most localisation of programs are these days.
- mixmastamyk 19d agoWindows did both successfully.
- Telaneo 19d agoI can't remember an example that didn't also include the shortcut written in full, but I might just be drawing a blank here. Care to give an example?
- mixmastamyk 19d agoWasn't easy to find! https://www.augenbit.de/wiki/images/5/57/Arbeitsplatz.png https://www.augenbit.de/wiki/images/5/57/Arbeitsplatz.png
- jakzurr 19d agoYup, pretty sure I've seen the same sorts of things using Asian characters.
- Telaneo 19d agoFair. I just remember them being inconsistent between the English and localised versions of Windows, and given I used both, that turned into a nothing-feature. Another comment mentioned you could edit the underlines in Office 2003, but I never knew that back in the day (or until today for that matter...).
- prmoustache 19d ago> Devil's advocate: showing the relevant keyboard shortcuts in the UI can be overwhelming That is not a requirement, having access to menus, a master help shortcut ir fuzzy search actions shorcut are other options.