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I think we spend a little bit too much time optimising startup time. Anything more than 3 seconds and less than 45 seconds is perceptibly the same, it's the sa

by dijit 19d ago

I think we spend a little bit too much time optimising startup time. Anything more than 3 seconds and less than 45 seconds is perceptibly the same, it's the same level of inconvenience unless you're in a rush. .. but I can't honestly tell you the last time I booted my Macbook from cold. Worthwhile suspend/resume is a much better goal for the modern computer user... Windows fucked us all with s2idle, including themselves.

brudgers 19d ago
On Windows, Hibernate works a treat.
- upboundspiral 19d ago
  Hybernate is basically cold booting. At least in my experience it's not comparable to suspend + resume in terms of speed.
  - brudgers 19d ago
    I just opened my Thinkpad lid. I was back to where I left when I had counted to eleven. It’s about six years old, running W11, and was <$600 new. It has a touchscreen I never use.
ChocolateGod 19d ago
Yep. Reliability > Speed. Whenever people complain systemd boots slow, it's because it's following the dependency graph set by the distro which focusses reliability over speed.
xp84 19d ago
I slightly agree, but it seems like I have to install a restart-required update for my Macs at least every two weeks nowadays. Which not only requires that full reboot sequence, but also 10 minutes of downtime waiting for what I assume is a bunch of encryption work. So I would counter that I would like to see that optimized better. (Of course, I would like it even better if we could just branch to the alternate timeline where Apple wasn’t encrypting and signing the system volume to avoid any chance of us modifying it) > suspend/resume Hard agree. Frustrating that I’ve still never had a non-Mac yet that I can just shut the lid and know that it won’t be blowing fans, apparently running, in my freaking backpack. Or wake up randomly in the middle of the night disturbing my sleep. Nor can I be confident that when I open it, I’ll see the login screen already ready to go. How is this so hard? I would understand with Linux or with a home-built PC. But shouldn’t Lenovo and HP be able to make sleep work correctly?

by dijit 19d ago

brudgers 19d ago

On Windows, Hibernate works a treat.

upboundspiral 19d ago
Hybernate is basically cold booting. At least in my experience it's not comparable to suspend + resume in terms of speed.
- brudgers 19d ago
  I just opened my Thinkpad lid. I was back to where I left when I had counted to eleven. It’s about six years old, running W11, and was <$600 new. It has a touchscreen I never use.

ChocolateGod 19d ago

Yep. Reliability > Speed. Whenever people complain systemd boots slow, it's because it's following the dependency graph set by the distro which focusses reliability over speed.

xp84 19d ago

I slightly agree, but it seems like I have to install a restart-required update for my Macs at least every two weeks nowadays. Which not only requires that full reboot sequence, but also 10 minutes of downtime waiting for what I assume is a bunch of encryption work. So I would counter that I would like to see that optimized better. (Of course, I would like it even better if we could just branch to the alternate timeline where Apple wasn’t encrypting and signing the system volume to avoid any chance of us modifying it) > suspend/resume Hard agree. Frustrating that I’ve still never had a non-Mac yet that I can just shut the lid and know that it won’t be blowing fans, apparently running, in my freaking backpack. Or wake up randomly in the middle of the night disturbing my sleep. Nor can I be confident that when I open it, I’ll see the login screen already ready to go. How is this so hard? I would understand with Linux or with a home-built PC. But shouldn’t Lenovo and HP be able to make sleep work correctly?