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I interpret it as they think they can find treatments that will course-correct the development of a child, but they're not saying anything about fixing somethin
by rickydroll 20d ago
I interpret it as they think they can find treatments that will course-correct the development of a child, but they're not saying anything about fixing something that's already broken.
- kelseyfrog 20d agoBrave to say on one of the most autistic web forums that autistic people have something that's broken :|
- krapp 20d agoThis isn't /g/ what are you talking about?
- djaro 20d agoI mean, it's classified as a disability for a good reason. I would guess that even if this platform has more autistic people due to being tech focused, autistic tech nerds and programmers are on the extreme end of high-functioning. Many low-functioning autistic people will never be able to have a job or live by themselves. This is the same issue as high-functioning ADHD'ers saying "ADHD is my superpower", meanwhile people with severe ADHD do significantly worse than the general population in basically any metric, up to having a lower life expectancy. This isnt to say its morally bad, theres nothing wrong with being autistic or having ADHD, but it is a disability. Just like someone who's deaf can live a totally happy life but still be disabled because they are not able to hear, someone with autism is disabled because they are not able to process social cues at the same speed, even if they are a great person and have a good life.
- seanhandley 20d agoIt depends, and that’s the point. It’s such a wide concept. Essentially it boils down to how a brain processes sensory information and at what point it becomes overwhelmed. We all have tolerances set at different gauges. It’s a disability if it’s at odds with the environment a person finds themselves in.
- forestrywat 20d ago"Have a disability" and "broken" are not synonyms. There's no judgement or moralizing in having a disability. Autism and ADHD like you mentioned are disabilities. But the people who have them are not broken. Having a disability means some part of your life is more difficult. But that's very very different from you as a person are broken. For example, if you can fix the environment and the person can now function equally to someone without a disability, then maybe it's the environment that's broken. If you can fix the social expectation and suddenly the person can function equally, then maybe the society is broken. Even if you cannot accommodate the person's needs, insinuating they are broken is not a great framing -- it creates a sense of pity rather than constructively looking at means to support them.
- nick__m 20d agoWhat else but pity should I feel toward non verbal autistic people?
- kelseyfrog 20d agoCompassion?
- forestrywat 20d agoLove? Affection? Friendship? Camaraderie? Care? All the stuff you feel towards any other human?
- hoppp 20d agoWhat is strange about the disability is when neurotypicals attack autists. It takes less then 1 second for the negative bias to trigger. If you see a person without legs, do you tell him he is a piece of shit because he can't run? So why harass autistic people?
- switchbak 20d agoThat's just people though, if you walk around with a scar on your head you'll see lots of knee-jerk immediate reactions. Some people are able to mediate those initial reactions and be kind, others just go with it and treat people poorly. Yes - some people are a'holes, and treat those without legs poorly. The same is true of basically anyone that doesn't fit into what you typically see - there's always some people that will treat them poorly. It's unfortunate, but was probably adaptive during our evolution, and something we just have to deal with today.
- iinnPP 20d agoThe problem is assuming the social cues are important at this point in evolution. I'd say the opposite is true, frankly. I'm more worried about people's inability to follow simple instructions, like making a hamburger correctly.
- SubiculumCode 20d agoAutism is a spectrum. Neurodiversity within and outside of autism is both intrinsically valuable and extrinsically valuable to society. However, not all phenotypes of autism should be viewed as neurodiversity, but as harmful. There is only so much that society can do to make severe intellectual impairments less disabling without identifying a cure for the intellectual impairment. The debate between medical versus disability models, neurodiversity versus pathology, inevitably gets pushed by those that want to classify everything into clean essentialist boxes, but that, I do not believe, is a helpful way to view the world. Not every condition is a pathology, nor is every condition benign if only society would do more to make it less disabling.
- Muromec 20d agoI for once enjoy the glitches in my signal mixing module, don't want nothing to fix there.
- creaturemachine 20d agoIt's the normies that are missing out.
- forestrywat 20d agoWhat do you mean "broken"? Autistic folks are not broken.
- raducu 20d agoNobody said they were, but broken in terms of neurotypical circuitry, yes
- djaro 20d agoAutism is a disability. The function of the brain to normally process social cues is broken. In the same way someone who is blind has broken vision, someone in a wheelchair has broken legs, and someone with ADHD has broken executive function. This isnt a moral judgement, theres nothing wrong with being disabled, but it remaims a disability that many people struggle due to.
- hoppp 20d agoThe disability exists when compared to neurotypicals but does not necessarily exist when compared to other autists. As a comparison, if you put a bonobo with chimps the bonobo will be severely disabled socially, but it won't be when compared to other bonobos. The fact that autists can communicate with each other does not fit typical models of disability. A blind person should be blind to another blind person.
- SubiculumCode 20d agoThere is interesting evidence that autism-autism social interactions are fairly vibrant. Everything is a bit more complicated than simple answers, no matter which way you swing.
- forestrywat 20d agoYou've agreed with what I said. Nothing here is counter to or in opposition to my point. The person has a disability. Part of the person may be broken, but the person isn't broken. I'm autistic. My sensory processing wiring is different and arguably broken. But I am not. I'm disabled. I can overcome the broken parts that result in my disability with support.