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I don't know if anyone in Norway could afford to raise 5 kids even with a massive tax break. Also, I think the amount of immigrants who don't work is a small mi

I don't know if anyone in Norway could afford to raise 5 kids even with a massive tax break. Also, I think the amount of immigrants who don't work is a small minority compared to those who do work.

flanked-evergl 20d ago
Only 67,5% of immigrants in the 20-66 age range are employed, and that compares to 79,5% for non-immigrants. And they cost way more than Norwegians and contribute less. Immigrants are also less likely to have full-time jobs and take more sick leave than Norwegians, so that 67,5% employment among immigrants is also a bit deceptive. Many immigrants in Norway who have not worked a day in their lives manage to raise 5 kids without any problems, even sometimes with their first or second cousins as spouses, so I think Norwegians will somehow manage, but if not maybe the solution is to give Norwegians a few more benefits and immigrants a bit fewer benefits. I, personally, know an immigrant lady who has not worked a day in at least three years, has two children, and got a 700,000 EUR house from the government. Not just to live in, but it's now her property. The reasoning for giving her a house for free was that she would never be able to buy one because she does not work and likely will not work again. She is not the exception. A Norwegian would have to save many years before they can afford a house like that, and will likely not be able to afford it before they are well into their 30s. And regardless of how many immigrants "work" or not, the data remains what it is, on net, immigrants cost Norwegians and the more immigrants the worse off Norwegians become. The simplest solution to stopping the damage is to just stop all immigration and start rolling it back. Actively destroying Norway will not resolve any problem we have with ageing population.
- DiscourseFan 20d ago
  This seems more so a failure of Norwegian policy than an issue with immigration in general. This is not comparable to the situation in the US. Immigrants to not receive lavish state benefits in America.
  - flanked-evergl 20d ago
    It's the case in almost every single European country I'm familiar with. Sweden, Denmark, UK, Germany. In the US it may not take this exact form, but there does seem to be significant fraud tied to people who have an immigrant background [1]. [1]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-fraud-schemes-what-we-know/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-fraud-schemes-what-we...

I don't know if anyone in Norway could afford to raise 5 kids even with a massive tax break. Also, I think the amount of immigrants who don't work is a small minority compared to those who do work.

flanked-evergl 20d ago

Only 67,5% of immigrants in the 20-66 age range are employed, and that compares to 79,5% for non-immigrants. And they cost way more than Norwegians and contribute less. Immigrants are also less likely to have full-time jobs and take more sick leave than Norwegians, so that 67,5% employment among immigrants is also a bit deceptive. Many immigrants in Norway who have not worked a day in their lives manage to raise 5 kids without any problems, even sometimes with their first or second cousins as spouses, so I think Norwegians will somehow manage, but if not maybe the solution is to give Norwegians a few more benefits and immigrants a bit fewer benefits. I, personally, know an immigrant lady who has not worked a day in at least three years, has two children, and got a 700,000 EUR house from the government. Not just to live in, but it's now her property. The reasoning for giving her a house for free was that she would never be able to buy one because she does not work and likely will not work again. She is not the exception. A Norwegian would have to save many years before they can afford a house like that, and will likely not be able to afford it before they are well into their 30s. And regardless of how many immigrants "work" or not, the data remains what it is, on net, immigrants cost Norwegians and the more immigrants the worse off Norwegians become. The simplest solution to stopping the damage is to just stop all immigration and start rolling it back. Actively destroying Norway will not resolve any problem we have with ageing population.

DiscourseFan 20d ago
This seems more so a failure of Norwegian policy than an issue with immigration in general. This is not comparable to the situation in the US. Immigrants to not receive lavish state benefits in America.
- flanked-evergl 20d ago
  It's the case in almost every single European country I'm familiar with. Sweden, Denmark, UK, Germany. In the US it may not take this exact form, but there does seem to be significant fraud tied to people who have an immigrant background [1]. [1]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-fraud-schemes-what-we-know/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-fraud-schemes-what-we...