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More related than dupe, as this article includes a statement from the group being labeled terrorist.

by forestrywat 20d ago

ChrisArchitect 20d ago
Same discussion. Statement shared over there. No need to split up the discussion.
- layer8 20d ago
  I submit that “dupe” is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content.
  - 1vuio0pswjnm7 20d ago
    "I submit that "dupe" is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content" Imagine every time you make a submission the same commenter submits a reply with only a different thread URL, no title, no story URL, and the misnomer "[dupe]" But the story URLs are different, not duplicates It makes no sense This site has constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments It has 250+ pages of active stories at any one time. That's potentially 250+ different discussions There is nothing in the design to prevent "duplication", nothing in the guidelines, and nothing in the proactive moderation HN is described as a news aggregator. It should be expected in a news aggregator, users may submit stories by different authors published at different URLs offering different coverage of the same news topics. If the site operator wanted to prevent this for some reason, it could. HN does not It seems the algorithm actually promotes such stories. Hence this sub-thread Discussion on HN is generally highly repetitive, unoriginal and filed with meme-like, and sometimes toxic, comments. Many folks complain about it, others might like it. Every user is different. It's not for any one user to determine what any other user should or should not see; readers can make up their own minds The majority of HN users do not participate in "discussion". They either read the stories and/or the replies. Some might only visit HN periodically. Perhaps they are not following HN discussions, they have no idea what has been discussed earlier and no time to find out or reason to care. The majority of HN stories have zero replies, i.e., no "discussion". It stands to reason that some users read the stories, i.e., the news, irrespective of "discussion". Upvotes on these stories are potential evidence; unless these users are just upvoting titles Alleged "duplication" of discussion is irrelevant in these submissions because there is no discussion. Stories are not just "discussion topics". They are news, for readers who are interested in reading news Finally, (real) duplicate URLs are commonly found in submissions that never get labeled "[dupe]". These are explicitly allowed on a discretionary basis. The "[dupe]" tag is inconsistently applied and cannot be relied on
    - ChrisArchitect 20d ago
      Yeah, every time, because you know what you're doing. Nothing to do with the urls, but the duplicate discussion topics. The site in fact does not have constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments (within similar timeframe). 250+ active discussions. All unique. Stuff moves pretty fast around here and you can miss it. It's more about keeping things fresh and not repeating discussions over and over. And additionally stopping some of us from having to see the same story over and over. Nothing in the design because that's what mods are for. Mods, and submitters looking out for the well-being of the site! Your repeated submissions amounted to spamming the same topic while most coverage brings nothing new to the discussion that warrants a separate thread. Why split up the conversation only to have it all duplicated and impact the 'freshness' of the site with discussions already had hours to days earlier? If you've been around enough it's weird that you're not clearer on this. Striving to keep the feed fresh and discussion together helps us all, you could do better to contribute that way.
  - 1vuio0pswjnm7 15d ago
    What does "[dupe]" mean. When is it a misnomer. Consider some scenarios A. Two or more stories on the same topic on /active simultaneously, i.e., multiple threads of discussion on same topic Recent examples On Aug 30 2026, for example, we had two stories about Iceland both on /active at the same time https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn45vdxyvvlo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn45vdxyvvlo http://www.ft.com/content/53b5abd8-2919-4dc6-8dd6-81fc054e8b6f http://www.ft.com/content/53b5abd8-2919-4dc6-8dd6-81fc054e8b... This happened again the following day on Aug 31 2026 Two stories about the same postmortem on /active at the same time http://www.dwarkesh.com/p/openai-huggingface http://www.dwarkesh.com/p/openai-huggingface http://thezvi.wordpress.com/2026/08/29/metr-and-redwood-offer-holy-postmortem-of-the-huggingface-hack/ http://thezvi.wordpress.com/2026/08/29/metr-and-redwood-offe... NB. This overlap, or "duplication", may not be reflected in /front?day=YYYY-MM-DD /active and /front are not always exactly the same; normally they are very close B. Word-for-word identical content (re)published different submitted story URLs The submissions may or may not have any replies, i.e., "discussion" Recent example, blog post 1787908199 | The Server Called Paranoia: Defend Autistici/Inventati | https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2 https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49476197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49476197 1787956263 | The Server Called Paranoia: Defend Autistici/Inventati Before Sept25 Sabot Media | https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autistici-inventati-before-september-25/ https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defe... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49485035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49485035 1788041055 | The Server Called Paranoia: Defend Autistici/Inventati | http://micahflee.com/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autistici-inventati/ http://micahflee.com/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autis... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49493725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49493725 With news (cf. blog posts), for copyright reasons, it's unlikely to see the exact same content, word-for-word, published at different URLs operated by different news organizations Most, almost all, URLs pointing to news submitted to HN have 0-1 replies, no "discussion"; it's exceedingly rare for these submissions to comprise the exact same content, word-for-word The "[dupe]" label in a comment in these threads cannot apply to discussion, it must apply to something else, e.g., the content or the URL C. Finally there are exact duplicate URLs that point to exact duplicate content Parent is not the only commenter to see that "[dupe]" is being used by some commenters in a deceptive way; how often is it applied in the common sense way Let's look at the application of the "[dupe]" label to identical URLs in Aug 2026 for example In Aug 2026, the "[dupe]" label was applied to 187 submissions ("stories") In Aug 2026, the total number of exact duplicate story URLs submitted was 2975 In Aug 2026, the total number of stories submitted was 41830

More related than dupe, as this article includes a statement from the group being labeled terrorist.

ChrisArchitect 20d ago

Same discussion. Statement shared over there. No need to split up the discussion.

layer8 20d ago
I submit that “dupe” is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 20d ago
  "I submit that "dupe" is a misleading misnomer if the submission does not link to the same content" Imagine every time you make a submission the same commenter submits a reply with only a different thread URL, no title, no story URL, and the misnomer "[dupe]" But the story URLs are different, not duplicates It makes no sense This site has constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments It has 250+ pages of active stories at any one time. That's potentially 250+ different discussions There is nothing in the design to prevent "duplication", nothing in the guidelines, and nothing in the proactive moderation HN is described as a news aggregator. It should be expected in a news aggregator, users may submit stories by different authors published at different URLs offering different coverage of the same news topics. If the site operator wanted to prevent this for some reason, it could. HN does not It seems the algorithm actually promotes such stories. Hence this sub-thread Discussion on HN is generally highly repetitive, unoriginal and filed with meme-like, and sometimes toxic, comments. Many folks complain about it, others might like it. Every user is different. It's not for any one user to determine what any other user should or should not see; readers can make up their own minds The majority of HN users do not participate in "discussion". They either read the stories and/or the replies. Some might only visit HN periodically. Perhaps they are not following HN discussions, they have no idea what has been discussed earlier and no time to find out or reason to care. The majority of HN stories have zero replies, i.e., no "discussion". It stands to reason that some users read the stories, i.e., the news, irrespective of "discussion". Upvotes on these stories are potential evidence; unless these users are just upvoting titles Alleged "duplication" of discussion is irrelevant in these submissions because there is no discussion. Stories are not just "discussion topics". They are news, for readers who are interested in reading news Finally, (real) duplicate URLs are commonly found in submissions that never get labeled "[dupe]". These are explicitly allowed on a discretionary basis. The "[dupe]" tag is inconsistently applied and cannot be relied on
  - ChrisArchitect 20d ago
    Yeah, every time, because you know what you're doing. Nothing to do with the urls, but the duplicate discussion topics. The site in fact does not have constant repetition of URLs, topics and comments (within similar timeframe). 250+ active discussions. All unique. Stuff moves pretty fast around here and you can miss it. It's more about keeping things fresh and not repeating discussions over and over. And additionally stopping some of us from having to see the same story over and over. Nothing in the design because that's what mods are for. Mods, and submitters looking out for the well-being of the site! Your repeated submissions amounted to spamming the same topic while most coverage brings nothing new to the discussion that warrants a separate thread. Why split up the conversation only to have it all duplicated and impact the 'freshness' of the site with discussions already had hours to days earlier? If you've been around enough it's weird that you're not clearer on this. Striving to keep the feed fresh and discussion together helps us all, you could do better to contribute that way.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 15d ago
  What does "[dupe]" mean. When is it a misnomer. Consider some scenarios A. Two or more stories on the same topic on /active simultaneously, i.e., multiple threads of discussion on same topic Recent examples On Aug 30 2026, for example, we had two stories about Iceland both on /active at the same time https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn45vdxyvvlo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn45vdxyvvlo http://www.ft.com/content/53b5abd8-2919-4dc6-8dd6-81fc054e8b6f http://www.ft.com/content/53b5abd8-2919-4dc6-8dd6-81fc054e8b... This happened again the following day on Aug 31 2026 Two stories about the same postmortem on /active at the same time http://www.dwarkesh.com/p/openai-huggingface http://www.dwarkesh.com/p/openai-huggingface http://thezvi.wordpress.com/2026/08/29/metr-and-redwood-offer-holy-postmortem-of-the-huggingface-hack/ http://thezvi.wordpress.com/2026/08/29/metr-and-redwood-offe... NB. This overlap, or "duplication", may not be reflected in /front?day=YYYY-MM-DD /active and /front are not always exactly the same; normally they are very close B. Word-for-word identical content (re)published different submitted story URLs The submissions may or may not have any replies, i.e., "discussion" Recent example, blog post 1787908199 | The Server Called Paranoia: Defend Autistici/Inventati | https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2 https://cavallette.noblogs.org/2026/08/10083/2 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49476197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49476197 1787956263 | The Server Called Paranoia: Defend Autistici/Inventati Before Sept25 Sabot Media | https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autistici-inventati-before-september-25/ https://www.wewillfreeus.org/the-server-called-paranoia-defe... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49485035 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49485035 1788041055 | The Server Called Paranoia: Defend Autistici/Inventati | http://micahflee.com/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autistici-inventati/ http://micahflee.com/the-server-called-paranoia-defend-autis... | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49493725 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49493725 With news (cf. blog posts), for copyright reasons, it's unlikely to see the exact same content, word-for-word, published at different URLs operated by different news organizations Most, almost all, URLs pointing to news submitted to HN have 0-1 replies, no "discussion"; it's exceedingly rare for these submissions to comprise the exact same content, word-for-word The "[dupe]" label in a comment in these threads cannot apply to discussion, it must apply to something else, e.g., the content or the URL C. Finally there are exact duplicate URLs that point to exact duplicate content Parent is not the only commenter to see that "[dupe]" is being used by some commenters in a deceptive way; how often is it applied in the common sense way Let's look at the application of the "[dupe]" label to identical URLs in Aug 2026 for example In Aug 2026, the "[dupe]" label was applied to 187 submissions ("stories") In Aug 2026, the total number of exact duplicate story URLs submitted was 2975 In Aug 2026, the total number of stories submitted was 41830