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AI generated music, AI generated blogs etc, is really a stupid idea. Maybe some people want it, but I really don't. I really don't care if the music is great (i

AI generated music, AI generated blogs etc, is really a stupid idea. Maybe some people want it, but I really don't. I really don't care if the music is great (it's not, I'm a musician). I really don't care if the writing is great or the content is great. Its like being kosher. Some people choose to not eat non kosher food. I choose not to consume AI generated materials. What if AI cures cancer? Sure, let it cure cancer. I still don't want to read it. Some other people will read it. It still hasn't cured cancer yet though. I do use AI in my day job as SWE, not by my own choice, but forced by the industry. It does good works, but if I have a choice, yeah I really don't need to, or want to. I am just a peasant tossed back and fro by the rich, so I know my place, and keep my head down to do whatever necessary to live, but not more. I can choose what I am being kosher about. I think it would be great if the world has 2 economies. AI and non AI economies. The more we can identify which one is AI and which one is not, the better the outcome for people like me.

bcjdjsndon 22d ago
But why do I have be prohibited from it just because you have an unintelligible feeling it's bad somehow?
- 0x70run 22d ago
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- forshaper 22d ago
  OP specifies that they would prefer opt-in to either side.
- happymellon 22d ago
  They didn't say you would be. Just label it, so those that want it can seek it out. Having a music charts that doesn't include AI generated music does not stop AI generated music.
- copemaxxxing 22d ago
  Did I say this somewhere?
- D-Machine 22d ago
  No one is banning or prohibiting AI generated music from being listened to hear, just they are saying that to be considered on a very specific chart, there need to be limits on the amount of AI used. Very weak overall, especially given the irrelevance of these kinds of charts today.
- nunez 22d ago
  Because the only way the economics of the underlying technology remain sustainable is that this stuff is everywhere anywhere all the time, regardless of underlying ethics or how many livelihoods it claims as it spreads. Because the chief business model of this industry is so obviously the "drug dealer" strategy: give 'em their first hits for free and their next few hits for cheap so that they won't even blink while giving the company $200/month to basically rent their own brain back. (lol Imagine JetBrains in 2019 rolled out a super souped-up IDE for $200/month. They'd go bankrupt from the embarrassment alone. Shoot, imagine Hacker News users in 2019 talking about how they pay $200/month to do their own job. SO MANY PEOPLE would cry "MLM!!!!!") Because there's a generation of new people growing up in a world that's progressively training them to forfeit their own capabilities to the industry that will sell their skills back to them, and every AI blog post or song that gets the limelight without protest is tacitly green-lighting this outcome. (This is clearly happening given that Hollywood is trying to make AI actors a thing and some label cut a $3M record deal to an AI musician that's "naturally" charting on Billboard: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougmelville/2025/09/27/al-singer-xania-monet-just-charted-on-billboard-signed-3m-deal-is-this-the-future-of-music/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougmelville/2025/09/27/al-sing...)
- pibaker 22d ago
  The charts in question are compiled by the Australian Recording Industry Association. It makes economical sense that they would not want something that bypasses the music industry completely on their charts.
apercu 22d ago
The only point I would disagree is that I do find LLM's to be useful. I am only "forced" to use them as a matter of staying economically competitive against my competition, but I do find it like having a second opinion or a way to force myself to express my thoughts. And, finally, it's good that someone (something) actually reads the specifications that I work really hard to produce ;)
- vintermann 22d ago
  I am not forced to use them in my job. In fact I would like to use them but my department kind of falls between two chairs so our "AI strategy" doesn't include me (even though I took Andrew Ng's course over a decade ago and has tried very hard to keep myself updated since... I'm pretty confident no one in this 1000+ person company has more AI experience than me) I might have wanted to write all the code myself if I had infinite time, but I don't. And I want to code way more things than I have the time or mental stamina for. As it is I have to do it at home.
- delichon 22d ago
  > And, finally, it's good that someone (something) actually reads the specifications. This feeling of being heard and understood is a driver in cult growth. And in ordinary human bonding and mating. So this seeming AI benefit carries a risk of mass movement formation and downward ratcheting social cohesion and fertility. I worry that the most apocalyptic aspect of AI may be artificial friendship.
  - apercu 22d ago
    Mine is a different issue - I've produced hundreds of specifications over the years and it's obvious that implementation teams don't read them at all before they are "approved" because I never get questions or comments until it's time to build. Now, granted, I'm an experienced software developer in my own right, and I know that sometimes you aren't giving something full attention until you need to, but my experience is that it's different than that. You are correct that in identifying the issue - but that's a separate one from what I intended. I cannot stand sycophantic LLMs and use methods to get rid of any anthropomorphizing they do. But I feel like I'm somewhat outside as a person whose life is far more analog than most. I just hung some laundry outside. I'll be (manually) splitting some firewood later today. HN is my ONLY social media.
koolba 22d ago
> Its like being kosher. Some people choose to not eat non kosher food. I choose not to consume AI generated materials. This is great analogy when you consider the sheer deliciousness of pork and shellfish.
- happymellon 22d ago
  And some people like eating horse.
  - BoredomIsFun 22d ago
    Horse meat s very popular in Central Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaz%C4%B1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaz%C4%B1. So, yeah, more than just "some".
    - happymellon 22d ago
      Define "some". Because Oxford defines it as > an unspecified amount or number of How do you have more than an unspecified amount?
- copemaxxxing 22d ago
  Really? My mom doesn't eat raw sushi or shellfish and pork, she is not Jewish or Islam. She doesn't think those tastes that good.
bulkan 22d ago
I agree with you. Art needs "soul" and using AI generated "art" lacks it. As we are all aware LLMs aren't true intelligence and iff we ever create something like Data from Start Trek than I'd be interested in that "person"'s art. Right now LLM generated are is just highly mutated copies of what exists. I have no interest in consuming it.
- tiahura 22d ago
  Agreed. Nothing is more soulful than the last 30 years of top 40 pop. We must do everything we can to preserve this sublime artform. /s/ The Big Three
  - ahartmetz 22d ago
    It would be great to exclude the top 40 from the charts as well. Just call #41 #1. /s
dosisking 22d ago
Band in a Box came out for the Atari ST decades ago, which you could call AI generated music. So AI generated music has been around forever. Also there is a huge difference between being a musician and being a composer. Bragging that you are a musician means nothing. Most musicians are terrible composers.
- vunderba 22d ago
  To be fair, I think more people are concerned with the signal to noise ratio. Thousands of one-click songs based on vague text descriptions being cranked out of Suno on a daily basis. I don't know anybody releasing songs with BIAB, and if they are, they're possibly using it to thicken chord progressions. Early editions of BIAB didn't have some of the new solo melodist stuff.
bad_haircut72 22d ago
This is as much protectionism by the music industry as it is a humanitarian ideal. They banned AI works from the top40 cause without it in the next few years, all generic pop music will be AI generated, marketed at teenagers by AI persona influencers on youtube/tiktok. I genuinely see a future where people pay $100 to go to a "concert" to communally watch an anime girl "sing and dance" on a giant screen, as a mainstream activity.

bcjdjsndon 22d ago

But why do I have be prohibited from it just because you have an unintelligible feeling it's bad somehow?

0x70run 22d ago
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forshaper 22d ago
OP specifies that they would prefer opt-in to either side.
happymellon 22d ago
They didn't say you would be. Just label it, so those that want it can seek it out. Having a music charts that doesn't include AI generated music does not stop AI generated music.
copemaxxxing 22d ago
Did I say this somewhere?
D-Machine 22d ago
No one is banning or prohibiting AI generated music from being listened to hear, just they are saying that to be considered on a very specific chart, there need to be limits on the amount of AI used. Very weak overall, especially given the irrelevance of these kinds of charts today.
nunez 22d ago
Because the only way the economics of the underlying technology remain sustainable is that this stuff is everywhere anywhere all the time, regardless of underlying ethics or how many livelihoods it claims as it spreads. Because the chief business model of this industry is so obviously the "drug dealer" strategy: give 'em their first hits for free and their next few hits for cheap so that they won't even blink while giving the company $200/month to basically rent their own brain back. (lol Imagine JetBrains in 2019 rolled out a super souped-up IDE for $200/month. They'd go bankrupt from the embarrassment alone. Shoot, imagine Hacker News users in 2019 talking about how they pay $200/month to do their own job. SO MANY PEOPLE would cry "MLM!!!!!") Because there's a generation of new people growing up in a world that's progressively training them to forfeit their own capabilities to the industry that will sell their skills back to them, and every AI blog post or song that gets the limelight without protest is tacitly green-lighting this outcome. (This is clearly happening given that Hollywood is trying to make AI actors a thing and some label cut a $3M record deal to an AI musician that's "naturally" charting on Billboard: https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougmelville/2025/09/27/al-singer-xania-monet-just-charted-on-billboard-signed-3m-deal-is-this-the-future-of-music/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougmelville/2025/09/27/al-sing...)
pibaker 22d ago
The charts in question are compiled by the Australian Recording Industry Association. It makes economical sense that they would not want something that bypasses the music industry completely on their charts.

apercu 22d ago

The only point I would disagree is that I do find LLM's to be useful. I am only "forced" to use them as a matter of staying economically competitive against my competition, but I do find it like having a second opinion or a way to force myself to express my thoughts. And, finally, it's good that someone (something) actually reads the specifications that I work really hard to produce ;)

vintermann 22d ago
I am not forced to use them in my job. In fact I would like to use them but my department kind of falls between two chairs so our "AI strategy" doesn't include me (even though I took Andrew Ng's course over a decade ago and has tried very hard to keep myself updated since... I'm pretty confident no one in this 1000+ person company has more AI experience than me) I might have wanted to write all the code myself if I had infinite time, but I don't. And I want to code way more things than I have the time or mental stamina for. As it is I have to do it at home.
delichon 22d ago
> And, finally, it's good that someone (something) actually reads the specifications. This feeling of being heard and understood is a driver in cult growth. And in ordinary human bonding and mating. So this seeming AI benefit carries a risk of mass movement formation and downward ratcheting social cohesion and fertility. I worry that the most apocalyptic aspect of AI may be artificial friendship.
- apercu 22d ago
  Mine is a different issue - I've produced hundreds of specifications over the years and it's obvious that implementation teams don't read them at all before they are "approved" because I never get questions or comments until it's time to build. Now, granted, I'm an experienced software developer in my own right, and I know that sometimes you aren't giving something full attention until you need to, but my experience is that it's different than that. You are correct that in identifying the issue - but that's a separate one from what I intended. I cannot stand sycophantic LLMs and use methods to get rid of any anthropomorphizing they do. But I feel like I'm somewhat outside as a person whose life is far more analog than most. I just hung some laundry outside. I'll be (manually) splitting some firewood later today. HN is my ONLY social media.

koolba 22d ago

> Its like being kosher. Some people choose to not eat non kosher food. I choose not to consume AI generated materials. This is great analogy when you consider the sheer deliciousness of pork and shellfish.

happymellon 22d ago
And some people like eating horse.
- BoredomIsFun 22d ago
  Horse meat s very popular in Central Asia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaz%C4%B1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qaz%C4%B1. So, yeah, more than just "some".
  - happymellon 22d ago
    Define "some". Because Oxford defines it as > an unspecified amount or number of How do you have more than an unspecified amount?
copemaxxxing 22d ago
Really? My mom doesn't eat raw sushi or shellfish and pork, she is not Jewish or Islam. She doesn't think those tastes that good.

bulkan 22d ago

I agree with you. Art needs "soul" and using AI generated "art" lacks it. As we are all aware LLMs aren't true intelligence and iff we ever create something like Data from Start Trek than I'd be interested in that "person"'s art. Right now LLM generated are is just highly mutated copies of what exists. I have no interest in consuming it.

tiahura 22d ago
Agreed. Nothing is more soulful than the last 30 years of top 40 pop. We must do everything we can to preserve this sublime artform. /s/ The Big Three
- ahartmetz 22d ago
  It would be great to exclude the top 40 from the charts as well. Just call #41 #1. /s

dosisking 22d ago

Band in a Box came out for the Atari ST decades ago, which you could call AI generated music. So AI generated music has been around forever. Also there is a huge difference between being a musician and being a composer. Bragging that you are a musician means nothing. Most musicians are terrible composers.

vunderba 22d ago
To be fair, I think more people are concerned with the signal to noise ratio. Thousands of one-click songs based on vague text descriptions being cranked out of Suno on a daily basis. I don't know anybody releasing songs with BIAB, and if they are, they're possibly using it to thicken chord progressions. Early editions of BIAB didn't have some of the new solo melodist stuff.

bad_haircut72 22d ago

This is as much protectionism by the music industry as it is a humanitarian ideal. They banned AI works from the top40 cause without it in the next few years, all generic pop music will be AI generated, marketed at teenagers by AI persona influencers on youtube/tiktok. I genuinely see a future where people pay $100 to go to a "concert" to communally watch an anime girl "sing and dance" on a giant screen, as a mainstream activity.