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this looks 100x better than Casio's https://www.casio.com/us/moflin/ https://www.casio.com/us/moflin/
by cs1996 23d ago
this looks 100x better than Casio's https://www.casio.com/us/moflin/ https://www.casio.com/us/moflin/
- utopiah 23d agoThis "with emotions like a living creature" should just not be allowed.
- kodoman 23d agowhy not?
- dgellow 23d agoBecause it’s a lie. And is pushing for even worse sycophantic products > Emotional AI Support, Powered by Intelligence Targeting emotionally vulnerable people with AI promises is pretty disgusting
- tokai 23d agoYears ago I worked with developmentally disabled people, that absolutely loved animals but could never be left alone with one much less own one. This kind of product would have brought so much joy to those people.
- dgellow 23d agoI don’t deny there is a market for it
- forgetfreeman 23d agoI think it's distasteful to screen ethically questionable business practices with segments of the disabled community. If this product was being marketed towards the need of developmentally disabled individuals I feel like there would be less grounds for criticism, however meeting those needs in no way excuses outright fabrication of marketing claims aimed at the broader consumer market, and especially children.
- tokai 23d agoYou find something you made up distasteful? Get a grip. Its just a Furby.
- kodoman 23d agoHonestly I feel that way for the whole AI friend industry that is developing, from AI boyfriends and girlfriends to just kind of AI 'friends'. But this sort of thing is a sort of robot pet and I think the dynamics are different. Some one replacing a robot cat with a cat is not an evil thing in the way that trying to substitute human relationships are.
- dgellow 23d agoI agree, just don’t lie about it. You can present it as a cute little robot pet without problems. No need to say “it expresses and feels emotions like a real cat”. The AI industry has normalized lying about your products to a whole new level, that shouldn’t be acceptable
- kodoman 23d agoLooking through the advertising. > Through communication, Moflin’s emotional state changes. Your robot companion can show joy, sadness, and happiness, reacting just like a living creature would. Moflin does not possess actual emotions like humans do. Their emotional expressions are simulated by AI. And lots of bits of the advert seems to be explain how it's not real in the QA and that everything is a simulation. I have not used the product, but nothing strikes me as dishonest about the advertising.
- ForHackernews 23d ago> Your robot companion can show joy, sadness, and happiness, reacting just like a living creature would. Seems like a lie to me. Compare: > Our synthetic foodstuffs can taste sweet, salty, tart or tangy, delicious flavors just like natural ingredients. (But then it's all aspartame, etc.)
- kodoman 23d agoI guess we are really debating the semantics of the sentences now like lawyers but to me the verb show is not particularly difficult to achieve or ambitious or misleading to use in this sort of product. A toy with a that has a smiley face and a frowning face is capable of showing two different emotions. Your second one point also does not seem like a lie to me since it's claiming to emulate natural ingredient (although here I guess to be just like means to emulate perfectly). I don't really see why any one would look at the product and it's marketing as evil. It seems to me aimed at people who can not have pets and are want to create a simulation of a soothing positive interaction with a pet. I don't see this as exploitative (apart from it's exploiting a desire that people have in the same way that virtually all products do), I can not see someone forming a relationship with this to the detriment of human interaction or exacerbate some kind of mental illness or cause addiction. It does seem a little expensive and that would be my only criticism of the product so far as I can see.
- Isamu 23d agoHow about “this duck fakes positive emotions like we all do from time to time”
- iamwil 22d agoPlato thought writing was a lie: > If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written...And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows. Basically, reading writing (without instruction) will only make people seem like they know stuff, by parroting others, when in fact, they know not much of anything.
- fdsfsdfsdfds 22d ago> Plato thought writing was a lie Which is an intriguing argument considering he .. wrote it down and not just once. He was a prolific author. He also speaks _through_ other people, mostly Socrates, which complicates matters quite a bit. You're getting a narrative as told by someone inside the narrative about the nature of narration itself. I'd be hesitant to linearize Plato. There's quite a bit of subtlety to his arguments. That said, I understand the sentiment. Just want to introduce some nuance into the statement. I'd hate it if people thought Plato could just be pinned down like that.
- kodoman 22d agoSecond that it's unlikely that Plato agrees with Socrates on writing in the Phaedrus. When reading Plato you should think of him as writing dialogues for people to see various arguments and arguments develop over the books, for example Timaeus goes against positions held by Socrates and even more so later in the Parmenides. Plato is not linear either and if you really want to understand what Plato held you have to look at what the academy taught and what the Platonism became. Though clearly Platonism develops and changes and has various different flavors that academics pick out such as middle-platonism and neo-platonism. I would say it's not definite what Plato believed and one might say that he entertained multiple ideas at the same time, though clearly despised many positions.
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- tokai 23d agoIts not even close to being the same product.
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- ahoka 23d agoFinally an AI slop I can keep as a pet. I hate this dystopia.
- ricardobayes 23d agoIt's a different target market I guess. I welcome innovation like this - it's possibly tackling the loneliness epidemic in however small ways.
- nancyminusone 23d agoits a cool toy, not a friend. The only way you "bond" with plastic is with some ScotchWeld.
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- wiether 22d agoI find it terrifying
- yipinwong 22d agoThe reason some people fine Moflin terriying is due to differences between the Western and Eastern face reading. In Western cultures, "mouth" is how one perceives emotions, while in the Eastern cultures, it's the eyes. e.g. You see Disney characters got all big mouths, while say, Japanese ones like in anime or Hello Kitty has small or no mouth but BIG eyes. Same for Microduck. It's got gigantic mouth, while Moflin has none. --- As a personal preference, I like anime/manga characters but not fond of disney characters nor other Pixar characters. they look terrible to me.
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- antonvs 22d ago“I have no mouth but I must scream” is a Harlan Ellison story about an AI that tortures humans for revenge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Scream https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Sc... I suppose Moflin is preemptive revenge against that scenario. “How do you like them apples, future torturing AI?”
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- A_Venom_Roll 22d agoBlack Mirror vibes
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