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The pause is for immigrant visas so most visas like H1 or H2 or O visas aren't affect this time. But it's definitely part of the US admin's overall theme of rat

The pause is for immigrant visas so most visas like H1 or H2 or O visas aren't affect this time. But it's definitely part of the US admin's overall theme of ratcheting up visa restrictions and making any immigration or travel to the US extremely difficult.

seebeegeebee 21d ago
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- thayne 21d ago
  Maybe if legal immigration were more achievable we wouldn't have so many illegal immigrants.
  - seebeegeebee 21d ago
    Its VERY achievable. I've gone through it personally and it sucks just as much as legally immigrating to ANY other country on Earth. I've legally gone through this process in at least 5 countries and the US was the most expensive, but far from the worst.
    - thayne 21d ago
      > the US was the most expensive In other words, completely inaccessible to many people who would like a better life and are willing to work but lack opportunities in their native country. Just because it was achievable for you doesn't mean it is achievable for everyone.
      - account42 21d ago
        So? No one is entitled to immigrate to the US. It is very much supposed to not be achievable for literally everyone but only for those where it will be a net positive for the country. And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers.
        MrVandemar 21d ago
        > And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers. In my country, I've not heard a lot of people expressing the wish to visit, let alone immigrate to the US for quite some time now. And as a reminder of what country we're all talking about here, that'd be the one with the highest number of school shootings in the world, and the least political action and drive to do anything material about it, because, you know, emotional neanderthals gotta have their guns.
        account42 21d ago
        What sheltered well off ideologues say in their bubbles is irrelevant when it comes to determining what country people from around the world want to immigrate to. Historically, the US has been THE country where people want to be and I have yet to see any evidence that that has changed. If people would no longer want to come to the US then these changes to the immigration policies would also not affect anyone.
        MrVandemar 21d ago
        Yeah, "historically". Hasn't been like that for a while now.
  - rayiner 21d ago
    Immigration laws are like any other licensing or permitting regime. Controlling "who" and "how many" is the whole point. Making legal immigration easier doesn't solve the problem, it defeats the purpose.
    - blovescoffee 21d ago
      The laws should produce friction but the right friction in the right places. There are too many arbitrary and difficult processes in the US immigration system that keep great people out of the US.
  - cute_boi 21d ago
    Agree, right now illegal people have more rights than people coming in f1 or h1b. I don't understand....
  - ExoticPearTree 21d ago
    > Maybe if legal immigration were more achievable we wouldn't have so many illegal immigrants. Maybe if cars were cheaper people wouldn’t need to steal then. Do you hear yourself?
  - account42 21d ago
    Maybe if you paid me more money I won't steal all your stuff.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 21d ago
  This "they did bad stuff so we have to do worse stuff" idea strips the people doing the second bad thing of their agency. That's false; they have agency, and can choose to do better.
- globnomulous 21d ago
  Illegal immigration does not create queues or waitlists for legal immigration. But I'll be honest: between the uncited numbers, the clear-eyed, neutral potted history, the italics, and the all-caps "LEGAL," I'm starting to think it would be foolish not to take your argument seriously.
mportela 21d ago
Not _this_ time but they were targeted previously: banning up to 75 countries from issuing visas, adding a $100k fee to the application, forcing visa renewals to go through consular processing instead of change of status, etc. The end goal is to do end migration as a whole (especially from “certain places”) and expel all “undesirables”. To get there, they will test the waters, get the right precedents and judicial orders in place, and move the Overton window enough so the public sees these actions as “business as usual”.

seebeegeebee 21d ago

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thayne 21d ago
Maybe if legal immigration were more achievable we wouldn't have so many illegal immigrants.
- seebeegeebee 21d ago
  Its VERY achievable. I've gone through it personally and it sucks just as much as legally immigrating to ANY other country on Earth. I've legally gone through this process in at least 5 countries and the US was the most expensive, but far from the worst.
  - thayne 21d ago
    > the US was the most expensive In other words, completely inaccessible to many people who would like a better life and are willing to work but lack opportunities in their native country. Just because it was achievable for you doesn't mean it is achievable for everyone.
    - account42 21d ago
      So? No one is entitled to immigrate to the US. It is very much supposed to not be achievable for literally everyone but only for those where it will be a net positive for the country. And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers.
      - MrVandemar 21d ago
        > And it's perfectly normal that the country where the most people want to immigrate to will also have higher barriers. In my country, I've not heard a lot of people expressing the wish to visit, let alone immigrate to the US for quite some time now. And as a reminder of what country we're all talking about here, that'd be the one with the highest number of school shootings in the world, and the least political action and drive to do anything material about it, because, you know, emotional neanderthals gotta have their guns.
        account42 21d ago
        What sheltered well off ideologues say in their bubbles is irrelevant when it comes to determining what country people from around the world want to immigrate to. Historically, the US has been THE country where people want to be and I have yet to see any evidence that that has changed. If people would no longer want to come to the US then these changes to the immigration policies would also not affect anyone.
        MrVandemar 21d ago
        Yeah, "historically". Hasn't been like that for a while now.
- rayiner 21d ago
  Immigration laws are like any other licensing or permitting regime. Controlling "who" and "how many" is the whole point. Making legal immigration easier doesn't solve the problem, it defeats the purpose.
  - blovescoffee 21d ago
    The laws should produce friction but the right friction in the right places. There are too many arbitrary and difficult processes in the US immigration system that keep great people out of the US.
- cute_boi 21d ago
  Agree, right now illegal people have more rights than people coming in f1 or h1b. I don't understand....
- ExoticPearTree 21d ago
  > Maybe if legal immigration were more achievable we wouldn't have so many illegal immigrants. Maybe if cars were cheaper people wouldn’t need to steal then. Do you hear yourself?
- account42 21d ago
  Maybe if you paid me more money I won't steal all your stuff.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 21d ago
This "they did bad stuff so we have to do worse stuff" idea strips the people doing the second bad thing of their agency. That's false; they have agency, and can choose to do better.
globnomulous 21d ago
Illegal immigration does not create queues or waitlists for legal immigration. But I'll be honest: between the uncited numbers, the clear-eyed, neutral potted history, the italics, and the all-caps "LEGAL," I'm starting to think it would be foolish not to take your argument seriously.

mportela 21d ago

Not _this_ time but they were targeted previously: banning up to 75 countries from issuing visas, adding a $100k fee to the application, forcing visa renewals to go through consular processing instead of change of status, etc. The end goal is to do end migration as a whole (especially from “certain places”) and expel all “undesirables”. To get there, they will test the waters, get the right precedents and judicial orders in place, and move the Overton window enough so the public sees these actions as “business as usual”.