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What's up with the part of the website where you are talking about "neutralized foreign actors", was that also using contracted Mechanical Turk labor?

by m3rc 22d ago

x0xMaximus 22d ago
The industry is so backwards, there are residential proxy companies that are directly paid by one of the largest market research firms. I have discussed this at length https://www.reddit.com/r/Marketresearch/comments/1s2tl0o/open_letter_to_cint_supplier_quality_issues/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Marketresearch/comments/1s2tl0o/ope... It should be a bipartisan issue that a Swedish company is paying a UAE Residential Proxy company [1] to build tools that allow people from anywhere in the world to take US political polls that are used by both parties to collect election data. Just for starters, you can't even think about soliciting online work from a panel without a robust residential proxy detection methods. We had to build our own: `wget -N 'https://grip.net/files/grip-proxy-30d.mmdb https://grip.net/files/grip-proxy-30d.mmdb'` [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmeQcwSK3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmeQcwSK3o flagged by Nokia Deepfield and CTRL for it's involvement in botnets
- charcircuit 22d ago
  Someone using an IP that a geoip database says is US, doesn't mean that person is a US voter. The existence of proxies on the internet is a feature.
  - x0xMaximus 22d ago
    Obviously, a problem not even fully addressed by L2’s datasets. Sure, but the use of proxies to masquerade the identity of users being sold to researcher buyers that paid for a different service is fraud
    - charcircuit 22d ago
      It makes me question why the surveys don't ask for the users country. That way they cd can figure it out without trying to guess it based off of IP.
      - x0xMaximus 22d ago
        Users/respondents lie, and many buyers/researchers are neo-luddites; most C level still come from the telemarketing days. A fun example: mobile targeting is terrible when off wifi because all survey platforms uniq identify users based off their IPv4, so any T-Mobile LTE users in the same city going through the same CGNAT often share profiling data that ends up conflicting, which ends up meaning they don't get sent into the best survey(s). The issue is even worse in heavy IPv6 countries like India+France.
        inigyou 22d ago
        The fact that you can sell a product that doesn't work and become a billionaire proves capitalism is broken.
        bonoboTP 21d ago
        Yes. Much better to leave these decisions to the Dear Leader who is infinitely wise and cannot be misled. Or to the People's Central Planning Committee, where they decide all the allocations and strip rich people's wealth if they aren't on board with the correct ideology. Such systems are non-broken and have yielded unmeasurable prosperity throughout the world wherever implemented.
        inigyou 21d ago
        ... What?
- parineum 22d ago
  Polling data isn't some guaranteed right or something. If you ask the Internet questions and then sell the collated answers, it's your job to authenticate the responses or your polls will be wildly wrong and people will stop buying them. Which is already the case and nobody but a bunch of campaign contractors who can't justify their do nothing jobs anymore cares.
  - x0xMaximus 22d ago
    Exactly, it’s a beautiful thing when the market is rational https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CINT.ST/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CINT.ST/
  - schoen 22d ago
    I just remembered that in the story "Simulacron-3", there is ostensibly a law requiring people to respond to opinion polls. It is illegal to refuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacron-3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacron-3 Spoiler: gur jbeyq va juvpu gur ynj fhccbfrqyl rkvfgf vf n fvzhyngvba, perngrq ol be sbe cbyyfgref!

What's up with the part of the website where you are talking about "neutralized foreign actors", was that also using contracted Mechanical Turk labor?

by m3rc 22d ago

What's up with the part of the website where you are talking about "neutralized foreign actors", was that also using contracted Mechanical Turk labor?

x0xMaximus 22d ago

The industry is so backwards, there are residential proxy companies that are directly paid by one of the largest market research firms. I have discussed this at length https://www.reddit.com/r/Marketresearch/comments/1s2tl0o/open_letter_to_cint_supplier_quality_issues/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Marketresearch/comments/1s2tl0o/ope... It should be a bipartisan issue that a Swedish company is paying a UAE Residential Proxy company [1] to build tools that allow people from anywhere in the world to take US political polls that are used by both parties to collect election data. Just for starters, you can't even think about soliciting online work from a panel without a robust residential proxy detection methods. We had to build our own: `wget -N 'https://grip.net/files/grip-proxy-30d.mmdb https://grip.net/files/grip-proxy-30d.mmdb'` [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmeQcwSK3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOmeQcwSK3o flagged by Nokia Deepfield and CTRL for it's involvement in botnets

charcircuit 22d ago
Someone using an IP that a geoip database says is US, doesn't mean that person is a US voter. The existence of proxies on the internet is a feature.
- x0xMaximus 22d ago
  Obviously, a problem not even fully addressed by L2’s datasets. Sure, but the use of proxies to masquerade the identity of users being sold to researcher buyers that paid for a different service is fraud
  - charcircuit 22d ago
    It makes me question why the surveys don't ask for the users country. That way they cd can figure it out without trying to guess it based off of IP.
    - x0xMaximus 22d ago
      Users/respondents lie, and many buyers/researchers are neo-luddites; most C level still come from the telemarketing days. A fun example: mobile targeting is terrible when off wifi because all survey platforms uniq identify users based off their IPv4, so any T-Mobile LTE users in the same city going through the same CGNAT often share profiling data that ends up conflicting, which ends up meaning they don't get sent into the best survey(s). The issue is even worse in heavy IPv6 countries like India+France.
      - inigyou 22d ago
        The fact that you can sell a product that doesn't work and become a billionaire proves capitalism is broken.
        bonoboTP 21d ago
        Yes. Much better to leave these decisions to the Dear Leader who is infinitely wise and cannot be misled. Or to the People's Central Planning Committee, where they decide all the allocations and strip rich people's wealth if they aren't on board with the correct ideology. Such systems are non-broken and have yielded unmeasurable prosperity throughout the world wherever implemented.
        inigyou 21d ago
        ... What?
parineum 22d ago
Polling data isn't some guaranteed right or something. If you ask the Internet questions and then sell the collated answers, it's your job to authenticate the responses or your polls will be wildly wrong and people will stop buying them. Which is already the case and nobody but a bunch of campaign contractors who can't justify their do nothing jobs anymore cares.
- x0xMaximus 22d ago
  Exactly, it’s a beautiful thing when the market is rational https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CINT.ST/ https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CINT.ST/
- schoen 22d ago
  I just remembered that in the story "Simulacron-3", there is ostensibly a law requiring people to respond to opinion polls. It is illegal to refuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacron-3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacron-3 Spoiler: gur jbeyq va juvpu gur ynj fhccbfrqyl rkvfgf vf n fvzhyngvba, perngrq ol be sbe cbyyfgref!