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Given that the outages are caused by record traffic, so far they are only cooked in the Yogi Berra sense of “Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded”

Bratmon 21d ago
Many people think we're on the path to having separate webs for AIs and humans. This may be the beginning of that.
- bluefirebrand 21d ago
  As much as I would like that to happen, I don't think it is at all possible until we solve the "is a human" problem.
majormajor 21d ago
Random AI slop code pushers don't pay the bills. Traffic isn't revenue. I've started suggesting to my CTO that we move to something else because we do pay the Github bills and yet we are also affected by other people's activity. Avoiding that is not a hard engineering problem for an alternative. A world where a record amount of code is pushed to GH but a large amount of paying customers leave would be "cooked"
- olyjohn 21d ago
  Yeah I don't feel bad for Microsoft, but I don't feel bad for people who keep paying them for it either. This has been going on forever now. Nothing will happen until people start leaving. I don't honestly understand why so much shit is on GitHub when there are so many alternatives, anyways. It's fucking git! Can't people do or try anything different, ever?
  - pocksuppet 21d ago
    People are on GitHub because it's the cool thing to do, and there is no concept of anything else that could matter.
- angry_octet 20d ago
  It is quite possible for github load balancers to route paying customers to different queues/infrastructure. I think much of the bot activity is paying customers, they just don't have per-client QoS because that would be hard. And they don't have separate auth for bots so they can't queue them separately.
Waterluvian 21d ago
Gets me wondering… if I get used to the fact that some location is busy, I stop going there. Other people might do the same. Could this create a detectable wavy signal over time? People stop going because it’s busy. It stops being busy. People go because it’s not busy. Repeat. Is this a known phenomenon?
- iamflimflam1 21d ago
  Closest thing would be the “El Farol Bar problem” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Farol_Bar_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Farol_Bar_problem

Bratmon 21d ago

Many people think we're on the path to having separate webs for AIs and humans. This may be the beginning of that.

bluefirebrand 21d ago
As much as I would like that to happen, I don't think it is at all possible until we solve the "is a human" problem.

majormajor 21d ago

Random AI slop code pushers don't pay the bills. Traffic isn't revenue. I've started suggesting to my CTO that we move to something else because we do pay the Github bills and yet we are also affected by other people's activity. Avoiding that is not a hard engineering problem for an alternative. A world where a record amount of code is pushed to GH but a large amount of paying customers leave would be "cooked"

olyjohn 21d ago
Yeah I don't feel bad for Microsoft, but I don't feel bad for people who keep paying them for it either. This has been going on forever now. Nothing will happen until people start leaving. I don't honestly understand why so much shit is on GitHub when there are so many alternatives, anyways. It's fucking git! Can't people do or try anything different, ever?
- pocksuppet 21d ago
  People are on GitHub because it's the cool thing to do, and there is no concept of anything else that could matter.
angry_octet 20d ago
It is quite possible for github load balancers to route paying customers to different queues/infrastructure. I think much of the bot activity is paying customers, they just don't have per-client QoS because that would be hard. And they don't have separate auth for bots so they can't queue them separately.

Waterluvian 21d ago

Gets me wondering… if I get used to the fact that some location is busy, I stop going there. Other people might do the same. Could this create a detectable wavy signal over time? People stop going because it’s busy. It stops being busy. People go because it’s not busy. Repeat. Is this a known phenomenon?

iamflimflam1 21d ago
Closest thing would be the “El Farol Bar problem” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Farol_Bar_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Farol_Bar_problem