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The US seems hellbent on destroying its own economy, immigrants have always played a key part in it. Looking forward to Trump yelling about how the radical left

The US seems hellbent on destroying its own economy, immigrants have always played a key part in it. Looking forward to Trump yelling about how the radical left has somehow undermined the US economy in a few months.

reaperducer 21d ago
Everything is someone else's fault. The buck never stops with him.
- nielsbot 21d ago
  I’d guess Miller is the main driver of this given what we know about that loser (and freak).
  - timcobb 21d ago
    Huge freak
- dogsgobork 21d ago
  I often think about how far the Republican party has fallen from Truman with his "The Buck Stops Here" plaque on his desk to Trump's "I don't take any responsibility at all" response to poor Covid testing in 2020.
  - FireBeyond 21d ago
    Meanwhile, just this week, he's taking credit for Biden's legislative efforts on cost reductions for pharmaceuticals that every single Republican voted against, and Trump campaigned against.
  - something98 21d ago
    Truman was a Democrat.
    - retvrn 21d ago
      Plus he outright stole government money, not even the pretense of some kind of pass-through contracting entity or something, just brazenly stole cash. And later went on a PR tour lying about being destitute to get Congress to give him a big pension (presidents didn’t get one before that; and he was doing quite alright financially without it). Whatever the party affiliation, he was an actual thief and scam-artist at the public’s expense, so wouldn’t be a great example of some high water mark for public service.
geodel 21d ago
Well, others can bent in other direction and boost their economy by taking in all immigrants that were US bound.
- forgetfreeman 21d ago
  And they are. I read somewhere a few days ago that France is vacuuming up academics and advanced students that have been displaced by various recent policy changes that have proven to be hostile towards academia and research.
  - dnautics 21d ago
    As a former academic scientist, I suspect it's not gonna work out like they think it will--the process will self select for mostly lemons.
  - geodel 21d ago
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  - DataDive 21d ago
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    - totallygeeky 21d ago
      If you can't understand the utility of having welcoming and creative/tenacious people involved in your science (which your questions listed are asking about) then you are not nearly the expert in qualifications you think you are.
      - DataDive 21d ago
        You misunderstood my reply completely. I am saying we are not selecting for those people. When we hire at the university, we ignore creative, tenacious people and instead select mediocre people with a nice woke story that meets the woke requirements.
Terr_ 21d ago
Looking forward? He never stopped. It's been 10+ years of narcissistic scapegoating, even for times when he was President, even while Republicans controlled congress, and even over trade-deals, policies, and laws that he took-credit for and bragged about. (e.g. USMCA in 2020.) > Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! -- 1984
- unselect5917 21d ago
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  - Terr_ 21d ago
    Donald Trump: Billionaire in one of the top government roles of one the most powerful countries in the world; puts enormous banners of his own face over buildings; runs a personal distribution network to announce what he hates every day to his followers; regularly "jokes" about being a dictator; triggers perpetual wars with other countries; etc. Emmanuel Goldstein: An exiled academic in hiding with a death-sentence over his head for criticizing the despotic government. You: "People like myself who actually read 1984 know that Trump is basically Goldstein! Not any other character. The parallels are impossible to ignore." If you really read the book, then that's tragic, because all you learned was how to embody doublethink.
    - unselect5917 21d ago
      You sound like someone who started paying attention to politics in 2016. Trump isn't even an outlier. Foreign policy has been dictated by AIPAC (as well as a lot of domestic policy) for decades. Do you not remember the two-minutes-hate where they screamed at Emmanuel Goldstein? Apparently not. The point is people rabidly attack Trump when his policies - especially foreign - are indistinguishable from Biden, Obama, and Clinton. You're attacking a dummy setup for that. Your obsession with him makes it obvious. Israel gets whatever they want instantly, and Americans get fancy speeches from figureheads. You're the one screaming at a figurehead and accusing me of doublethink? Read the book again.
bakies 21d ago
Most damage will be realized after he's dead
- FireBeyond 21d ago
  And in the interim he's positioning his family and cronies to benefit from any rebuilding. Just as he literally sat in the White House and said, verbatim, "My children insider trade all the time".

reaperducer 21d ago

Everything is someone else's fault. The buck never stops with him.

nielsbot 21d ago
I’d guess Miller is the main driver of this given what we know about that loser (and freak).
- timcobb 21d ago
  Huge freak
dogsgobork 21d ago
I often think about how far the Republican party has fallen from Truman with his "The Buck Stops Here" plaque on his desk to Trump's "I don't take any responsibility at all" response to poor Covid testing in 2020.
- FireBeyond 21d ago
  Meanwhile, just this week, he's taking credit for Biden's legislative efforts on cost reductions for pharmaceuticals that every single Republican voted against, and Trump campaigned against.
- something98 21d ago
  Truman was a Democrat.
  - retvrn 21d ago
    Plus he outright stole government money, not even the pretense of some kind of pass-through contracting entity or something, just brazenly stole cash. And later went on a PR tour lying about being destitute to get Congress to give him a big pension (presidents didn’t get one before that; and he was doing quite alright financially without it). Whatever the party affiliation, he was an actual thief and scam-artist at the public’s expense, so wouldn’t be a great example of some high water mark for public service.

geodel 21d ago

Well, others can bent in other direction and boost their economy by taking in all immigrants that were US bound.

forgetfreeman 21d ago
And they are. I read somewhere a few days ago that France is vacuuming up academics and advanced students that have been displaced by various recent policy changes that have proven to be hostile towards academia and research.
- dnautics 21d ago
  As a former academic scientist, I suspect it's not gonna work out like they think it will--the process will self select for mostly lemons.
- geodel 21d ago
  [flagged]
- DataDive 21d ago
  [flagged]
  - totallygeeky 21d ago
    If you can't understand the utility of having welcoming and creative/tenacious people involved in your science (which your questions listed are asking about) then you are not nearly the expert in qualifications you think you are.
    - DataDive 21d ago
      You misunderstood my reply completely. I am saying we are not selecting for those people. When we hire at the university, we ignore creative, tenacious people and instead select mediocre people with a nice woke story that meets the woke requirements.

Terr_ 21d ago

Looking forward? He never stopped. It's been 10+ years of narcissistic scapegoating, even for times when he was President, even while Republicans controlled congress, and even over trade-deals, policies, and laws that he took-credit for and bragged about. (e.g. USMCA in 2020.) > Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage! The agents of Goldstein had been at work! -- 1984

unselect5917 21d ago
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- Terr_ 21d ago
  Donald Trump: Billionaire in one of the top government roles of one the most powerful countries in the world; puts enormous banners of his own face over buildings; runs a personal distribution network to announce what he hates every day to his followers; regularly "jokes" about being a dictator; triggers perpetual wars with other countries; etc. Emmanuel Goldstein: An exiled academic in hiding with a death-sentence over his head for criticizing the despotic government. You: "People like myself who actually read 1984 know that Trump is basically Goldstein! Not any other character. The parallels are impossible to ignore." If you really read the book, then that's tragic, because all you learned was how to embody doublethink.
  - unselect5917 21d ago
    You sound like someone who started paying attention to politics in 2016. Trump isn't even an outlier. Foreign policy has been dictated by AIPAC (as well as a lot of domestic policy) for decades. Do you not remember the two-minutes-hate where they screamed at Emmanuel Goldstein? Apparently not. The point is people rabidly attack Trump when his policies - especially foreign - are indistinguishable from Biden, Obama, and Clinton. You're attacking a dummy setup for that. Your obsession with him makes it obvious. Israel gets whatever they want instantly, and Americans get fancy speeches from figureheads. You're the one screaming at a figurehead and accusing me of doublethink? Read the book again.

bakies 21d ago

Most damage will be realized after he's dead

FireBeyond 21d ago
And in the interim he's positioning his family and cronies to benefit from any rebuilding. Just as he literally sat in the White House and said, verbatim, "My children insider trade all the time".