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The web page says 5.3 flash is discounted right now.

• drob518 21d ago
  Seems disingenuous to draw frontier graphs with starter pricing.
  • seaal 21d ago
    Well, Luna debuted with 5x higher pricing than is currently available. With the pace of recent development these models might not be relevant by Thanksgiving.
    • drob518 21d ago
      Of course. Pricing is always changing, but typically it goes down over time, not up. So, if you're showing artificially low pricing from the start based on a teaser rate, IMO, you shouldn't be using that to show where you appear on a frontier graph. Place yourself on the graph based on your expected long-term pricing. Then, over time, adjust your position based on your standard rate, whatever that might be. Games are always being played for things like this, but this seems excessive.
      • yipinwong 21d ago
        I don't know if that's the standard pricing for US models to go down overtime, while Chinese ones go up (start cheap but pay more). I don't have enough metrics to compare those costs but still Chinese models have been cheaper except against Luna for me. FWIW, Luna does everything so well, I just keep using it for all my agents by default.
        • drob518 21d ago
          I haven't noticed the Chinese models going up in price for the same model. They do release new versions of the models with different prices that are higher. But everybody is doing that. One fine point is that deepseek-v4-flash-0731 is really a different model than deepseek-v4-flash and it's priced higher.