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Surely they are better than Google in this regard.
by fullstop 22d ago
Surely they are better than Google in this regard.
- hobofan 22d agoAFAIK Google is much better at not tearing well-working teams apart in reorgs, and letting people go they have acquihired a few quarters earlier. Of the few examples I have I my head, I'd even say that the fate of a product that has been acquired by Google is probably even better than those of Google's internally developed products. e.g. Waze is still alive and kicking 13 years after acquisition under its own brand and hasn't been completely swallowed by Google Maps. The Nest brand also stuck around for quite some time.
- fwip 22d agoYoutube is another famous example.
- nixon_why69 22d agoGoogle is better but it's an incredibly low bar. Amazon will drive these people to quit within a couple years over filling out MBRs and threats about how the MBR isn't good enough (MBR = monthly business report, pure bullshit theatre that drives the whole company mad 2/4 weeks every month). Google would drive them to quit over a longer timeframe, with no threats or harrassment, just because every time they try to ship something cool, someone else has a reason not to do it and that kills you eventually.
- hobofan 22d ago> Google would drive them to quit over a longer timeframe, with no threats or harrassment, just because every time they try to ship something cool, someone else has a reason not to do it and that kills you eventually. Yeah, I've never personally worked at any of those places, but collaborated on a few open source projects with Googlers and Xooglers and the slow grinding wheels of their "processes" that wear people down over time were very apparent. Nevertheless, it has been a breeding ground for many interesting technologies, even if it often suffocates them over the long term.
- SoftTalker 22d agoThey should be fine as long as they remember to use the new cover sheets. I'm sure they got a copy of the memo.
- NewJazz 22d agoDon't worry, I'll send them another copy just in case.
- SlightlyLeftPad 22d agoOoo yeah. Mmk that’d be great.
- darkwater 22d ago> Amazon will drive these people to quit within a couple years over filling out MBRs and threats about how the MBR isn't good enough (MBR = monthly business report, pure bullshit theatre that drives the whole company mad 2/4 weeks every month). Wouldn't be possible nowadays to LLM your way out of this? Really no idea, just asking.
- nixon_why69 22d agoI'm actually curious too, haven't been there in a while. It's possible that the MBR pyramid has become LLM assisted on all sides but the cultural themes are surely all still there. Honestly, the whole thing felt LLM to start with, tons of people lacking context and throwing words and summaries around.
- flopsamjetsam 22d agoLLM to write it, then all the managers just use LLM to summarise it :)
- timcambrant 22d agoThe next logical step to ensure MBR quality would be to introduce MBR reviews before filing, also done by LLMs of course.
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- darkwater 21d agoWow, that's ugly (and dumb!) as hell! Is this Amazon?
- tokenscoper 22d ago> (MBR = monthly business report, pure bullshit theatre that drives the whole company mad 2/4 weeks every month) Couldn't have said it any better myself having worked at AWS for close to 8y. I was there during their peak growth years and remember very well how some of these processes that were once not as maddening, devolved.
- Exoristos 22d agoWhy don't they hire MBR specialists and embed them? Leave the development groups alone.
- cowsandmilk 21d agoThey do, they’re TPMs and PMs. If you’re a development team at Amazon stressing over MBRs, you’ve failed to give those people the tools to pull important metrics themselves.
- 999900000999 21d agoTo be fair, I suspect most of the core team is effectively rich after an acqu-hire. If I had 5 million I’m going to retire and never code for money again. I do want to make small video games though, make some music. Pay for a friend’s kids college. I wouldn’t waste a single extra hour making more money. Usually the golden handcuffs fall off after a year or two. That’s why Heroku went to crap, all the core people left.
- stingraycharles 21d agoGoogle Maps is also an acquisition from more than 2 decades ago, by the way.
- kodoman 22d agoI feel like google do the most innovative projects of all the big companies.
- stingraycharles 22d agoGoogle has such a much better reputation when it comes to contributing to and understanding open source. It’s unfair to Google to put Amazon above them. Heck AWS is the sole reason all these projects needed to go through these license changes to prevent AWS from completely destroying their business models.
- richwater 22d agoWhat business model do MIT licensed projects even have? If you want to offer support contracts and actually make people use them, don't use MIT. You can't have you cake (accepting public contributions and free labor) and eat it (sole profiteering) too.
- Zigurd 22d agoRMS addressed the business model from the very beginning: it's services and consulting. He practiced what he preached. You might think that's got a very low ceiling. But, even though it's a bad example in many ways, OpenAI showed that the ceiling is very high. And if you're morally flexible even higher.
- homarp 22d agoRMS promotes GPL, not MIT licensed software. When a bigger entity (e.g. AWS) decides to undercut the original creator/vendor (e.g. redis,elastic search), MIT code des not help.
- bigstrat2003 22d agoIt helps just fine. The original software is still there, available for anyone to use for free. AWS et al can't take that away from us, no matter what they choose to do with their fork.
- applfanboysbgon 22d agoWhen they say "doesn't help", they're talking about the developers of the original software you want to use for free getting to eat food and have a roof over their head.
- runtime_terror 22d agoGolang is alive and kicking still :shrug:
- loufe 21d agoNot to mention Angular
- theredleft 22d agogolang is great?
- 4petesake 21d agoOne of the things that has hampered the adoption of Dart/Flutter has been the fear Google would abandon it. I always presumed them to be in the lead regarding this kind of shittiness, but this is based on gut feel rather than analysis.