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On the Uyghur Genocide, we've seen aerial photography of the camps, images inside the camps, and survivors have testified before the UN on horrific accounts of
by CodingJeebus 22d ago
On the Uyghur Genocide, we've seen aerial photography of the camps, images inside the camps, and survivors have testified before the UN on horrific accounts of abuse. Some of the most heinous stories I've ever read have come from that event, published by widely reputable outlets. Hard disagree that it's a government psyop.
- heyitsmedotjayb 22d agoA lot of the photographs and testimony is from a single source and is very biased. Human rights abuses are massively overstated by the west in an attempt to demonize China.
- MSFT_Edging 22d agoThe associated press reported the camps closing nearly 5 years ago. The entire conversation around the Uyghur "Genocide" has never been serious. The claim of genocide came from the estimated rate of population growth reducing(to a still positive rate) and the actual report, written by a high up member of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation specifically used the phrase "Cultural Genocide". Additionally, the region was a focus in the early 2000s during the War on Terror, when China asked to include the extremist groups in terror watch lists. The US agreed and they were included up until a couple years prior to the events in Xinjiang. These were essentially re-education camps focused on radicalized groups. If anything, it's a more productive path than similar efforts, ie the ex-ISIS camps in Syria. Those never seem to be mentioned in tandem. They're supported nominally by western countries, where ex-isis members and families are kept indefinitely. Thousands of stateless prisoners, including women with children are kept there. When the boys reach the age of 14(iirc), they're put in the actual prisons with the men. Those camps essentially concentrate the extremism for the eventuality of the camps' closure. No attempts were made for deradicalization.
- inigyou 22d agos/Uyghur/Jew/ and s/China/Germany/ and pretend it's 1938, then reread your comment and see how believable it sounds.
- MSFT_Edging 22d agoWe have cell phones and satellite imagery now. We can also trace the endless deluge of articles with their citations and see almost every single one ends up at a thinktank laundering the Zenz report. There is an actual genocide in Palestine right now where we watch in HD as missiles are leveling apartment blocks and ripping apart the families of doctors while they tend to the wounded. There is also a war in Ukraine where we can watch the destruction of vast swaths of land and people in a WWI esque meat grinder. What did we have for Xinjiang besides a whole lot of "trust-me"s from known anti-communism orgs? A few interviews? a couple pictures of prisoners?
- inigyou 21d agoSince they're not just blowing up the whole place, what would we expect to see from a satellite if it's true?
- MSFT_Edging 21d agoGenocide-level infrastructure? If there were satellite photos of extensive camps, why wouldn't we be shown? We got to see one or two possible camps, but they were disassembled. People can travel in Xinjiang. I've seen the increased security on display in those videos, but it was primarily local police keeping tabs on the tourist to avoid some international incident. When something real happens, you see many different sources reporting on it. People share it on social media, multiple agencies report first hand. When the state department is trying to influence discussion, it's all think tanks.
- inigyou 21d agoYou think every genocide has an Auschwitz and if it doesn't have an Auschwitz it can't be a genocide?
- MSFT_Edging 21d agoThat's a very incorrect reading of what I was trying to say. I was saying if it was more than a state department propaganda operation, we'd see a lot more coming out. The reporting is starkly different from even reports coming out of Myanmar with the ethnic violence against the Rohingya(which barely gets any attention as-is).
- heyitsmedotjayb 21d agoThank you for educating me brother - I never knew about the relationship between the GWOT and events in Xinjiang. The parallel between ex-ISIS camps in Syria is also very intriguing.
- MSFT_Edging 21d agoIt's been testing my sanity for years. Glad I could point you to something new.