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He literally calls openly for the ethnic cleansing of undesirable populations from Europe. Just read his blog. There's no subtlety or nuance.

by lambda 22d ago

bobthebuilder4 22d ago
ethnic cleansing?
hokumguru 22d ago
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- thunderfork 22d ago
  >I think there's such a strong difference between remigration and ethnic cleansing you can think what you want to think but this is definitionally incorrect
- john_strinlai 22d ago
  >maybe take a minute to actually read his blog posts. a great place to start is the one where he compares the Roma (of course, he chooses the more offensive term) to wolves that should be shot. "When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them."
- fenomas 22d ago
  > I think there's such a strong difference between remigration and ethnic cleansing. First sentence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration : Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing via mass deportation of non-white minority populations, especially immigrants and sometimes including native-born citizens, to their place of racial ancestry.
- Avshalom 22d ago
  In the etymological sense there's a difference. There is no practical difference to the people calling for it though. 'Roma are like wolves, we should shoot wolves' isn't exactly subtle.
- skywhopper 22d ago
  You have swallowed some dangerous, racist propaganda if you believe this. “Remigration” is a code word for forcible ethnic cleansing.
ChocolateGod 22d ago
You're using the word "literally" very liberally here. Sending migrants back to their home countries is not ethnically cleansing.
- surgical_fire 22d ago
  > Sending migrants back to their home countries is not ethnically cleansing About that.... Yeah... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
- skywhopper 22d ago
  Yes, that is literally what it is.
- rbanffy 22d ago
  Forced displacement of an ethnic group is one of the definitions of ethnic cleansing. It's also considered a crime against humanity.
  - leoqa 22d ago
    Don’t be hyperbolic. Enforcing immigration policy isn’t a crime against humanity.
    - rbanffy 22d ago
      Forced relocation is defined as a crime against humanity.
      - petesergeant 22d ago
        “when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population” which I don’t think this really clears, as objectionable as his comments may be
        rbanffy 22d ago
6P58r3MXJSLi 22d ago
I don't think he's been literal about ethnic cleansing, even though I strongly disagree with his political views on the matter. Anyway, he also supports open weights models, which IMO is a good thing. So maybe separate the artist from the art? He's not running for elections, that's for sure, so as a citizen he can have the political views he likes, doesn't mean the software is bad because of them.
- skywhopper 22d ago
  He calls for removal of people based on their ethnicity. What would you call that?
  - WhaleClub 22d ago
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  - procgen 22d ago
    Ethnicity or citizenship?
    - lambda 22d ago
      The word he uses is a pejorative for the Romani, an ethnicity.
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 22d ago
    As I've said before, I strongly disagree, but what I read is that he calls for the removal of those behaving in a way that (in his opinion) make the city of Copenhagen less safe, or at least that change the perceived security of the people living there. Gypsies create issues almost everywhere in Europe, but it's not based on ethnicity, most of the ethnic Roma are fully integrated, some of them are not, in Italy many Sinte families are linked to mob and criminality in general. Do they deserve special treatment because of their ethnicity? And what if they are not regular citizens? It's an open problem, DHH's solutions it's absolutely not my solution, but there's a still a difference between what he said and calling for ethnic cleansing.
rdm_blackhole 22d ago
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- thunderfork 22d ago
  "it's not ethnic cleansing because this time the Jews really ARE evil, okay"
  - rdm_blackhole 22d ago
    > it's not ethnic cleansing because this time the Jews really ARE evil, okay You are right, let's just all push the rhetoric to the max and completely forget how to have nuanced discussions about complex topics. It clearly is a lot easier to scream "nazis" from one side and "woke" from the other. I am sure we will get somewhere fast.
    - thunderfork 21d ago
      I'm not interested in having "nuanced discussions" about whether the Roma people have some kind of Nuisance Gene that makes discussion of extermination valid If you'd like to make an argument that isn't just "ethnic cleansing is okay sometimes if the ethnicity is REALLY annoying" go ahead

He literally calls openly for the ethnic cleansing of undesirable populations from Europe. Just read his blog. There's no subtlety or nuance.

by lambda 22d ago

He literally calls openly for the ethnic cleansing of undesirable populations from Europe. Just read his blog. There's no subtlety or nuance.

bobthebuilder4 22d ago

ethnic cleansing?

hokumguru 22d ago

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thunderfork 22d ago
>I think there's such a strong difference between remigration and ethnic cleansing you can think what you want to think but this is definitionally incorrect
john_strinlai 22d ago
>maybe take a minute to actually read his blog posts. a great place to start is the one where he compares the Roma (of course, he chooses the more offensive term) to wolves that should be shot. "When wolves get out of control, you shoot them. When gypsies take over public spaces, you deport them."
fenomas 22d ago
> I think there's such a strong difference between remigration and ethnic cleansing. First sentence of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration : Remigration is a far-right concept referring to the ethnic cleansing via mass deportation of non-white minority populations, especially immigrants and sometimes including native-born citizens, to their place of racial ancestry.
Avshalom 22d ago
In the etymological sense there's a difference. There is no practical difference to the people calling for it though. 'Roma are like wolves, we should shoot wolves' isn't exactly subtle.
skywhopper 22d ago
You have swallowed some dangerous, racist propaganda if you believe this. “Remigration” is a code word for forcible ethnic cleansing.

ChocolateGod 22d ago

You're using the word "literally" very liberally here. Sending migrants back to their home countries is not ethnically cleansing.

surgical_fire 22d ago
> Sending migrants back to their home countries is not ethnically cleansing About that.... Yeah... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
skywhopper 22d ago
Yes, that is literally what it is.
rbanffy 22d ago
Forced displacement of an ethnic group is one of the definitions of ethnic cleansing. It's also considered a crime against humanity.
- leoqa 22d ago
  Don’t be hyperbolic. Enforcing immigration policy isn’t a crime against humanity.
  - rbanffy 22d ago
    Forced relocation is defined as a crime against humanity.
    - petesergeant 22d ago
      “when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population” which I don’t think this really clears, as objectionable as his comments may be
      - rbanffy 22d ago

6P58r3MXJSLi 22d ago

I don't think he's been literal about ethnic cleansing, even though I strongly disagree with his political views on the matter. Anyway, he also supports open weights models, which IMO is a good thing. So maybe separate the artist from the art? He's not running for elections, that's for sure, so as a citizen he can have the political views he likes, doesn't mean the software is bad because of them.

skywhopper 22d ago
He calls for removal of people based on their ethnicity. What would you call that?
- WhaleClub 22d ago
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- procgen 22d ago
  Ethnicity or citizenship?
  - lambda 22d ago
    The word he uses is a pejorative for the Romani, an ethnicity.
- 6P58r3MXJSLi 22d ago
  As I've said before, I strongly disagree, but what I read is that he calls for the removal of those behaving in a way that (in his opinion) make the city of Copenhagen less safe, or at least that change the perceived security of the people living there. Gypsies create issues almost everywhere in Europe, but it's not based on ethnicity, most of the ethnic Roma are fully integrated, some of them are not, in Italy many Sinte families are linked to mob and criminality in general. Do they deserve special treatment because of their ethnicity? And what if they are not regular citizens? It's an open problem, DHH's solutions it's absolutely not my solution, but there's a still a difference between what he said and calling for ethnic cleansing.

rdm_blackhole 22d ago

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thunderfork 22d ago
"it's not ethnic cleansing because this time the Jews really ARE evil, okay"
- rdm_blackhole 22d ago
  > it's not ethnic cleansing because this time the Jews really ARE evil, okay You are right, let's just all push the rhetoric to the max and completely forget how to have nuanced discussions about complex topics. It clearly is a lot easier to scream "nazis" from one side and "woke" from the other. I am sure we will get somewhere fast.
  - thunderfork 21d ago
    I'm not interested in having "nuanced discussions" about whether the Roma people have some kind of Nuisance Gene that makes discussion of extermination valid If you'd like to make an argument that isn't just "ethnic cleansing is okay sometimes if the ethnicity is REALLY annoying" go ahead