Other way around from personal experience. Harvard is louder because Harvard and alums from middle class backgrounds like I beat the drum. Harvard has also off

Other way around from personal experience. Harvard is louder because Harvard and alums from middle class backgrounds like I beat the drum. Harvard has also offered non-traditional open-entry bachelor degrees for over a century and whose endowment became the precursor for WGBH and therefore PBS, and those of us from other schools don't treat them any different. The only other ivies with large dedicated non-trad programs are Columbia (Asimov was a product of that) and Penn. Yale, Dartmouth, and to a lesser extent Princeton is blue blood af.