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macOS is fine, you guys are just overreacting… Is it perfect? No. Is it usable? Clearly yes.

by thiht 22d ago

switchbak 22d ago
Maybe they have standards and preferences. "fine" and "overreacting" seem like your very subjective value judgements.
- thiht 21d ago
  Ok, so they can migrate to an OS that fits their standards and preferences, no need to make it a militant stance with "vote with your wallet" or whatever. You like Linux or Windows better, go use it, Apple won't be mad
mgaunard 22d ago
My M5 pro macbook panics one to two times a week. I narrowed it down to an issue with a thunderbolt-linked ethernet adapter. I reported it about ten times, Apple never replied or addressed it. After a while I decided to take things into my own hands, and to write my own driver. Just installing a VM you can load a driver in for development and testing was a two-week effort. Everything locked down. Their VM infrastructure is so bad you can't even properly emulate or route the device, so in the end the only way to test it properly was to install the driver in the real thing, which is extremely disturbing to productivity, as the device you're working on constantly crashes. The whole platform is developer-hostile, which is essentially the same thing as user-hostile as far as I'm concerned. Meanwhile, on Linux, zero issues, and writing or testing a driver is child's play. It's literally built for tinkerers.
- borisgolovnev 21d ago
  FWIW, had similar issues on M2 Max MacBook Pro and they did fix it eventually, in macOS 26. It only took 2-3 years. btw if it happens often, check your cable, try a different one
  - mgaunard 19d ago
    With Linux I'm used to just being able to fix problems instead of working around them. With macOS I have to reverse engineer their bootloader with radare2 and remove a stupid safety check just to be able to load a driver.
    - doc_ick 15d ago
      I think you said it best before, Linux is made for tinkerers. Why are you expecting a Mac system to operate like Linux? As much as I like Mac I know it will never be used for games, so I use something else.
metabagel 21d ago
It's useable, but for me it's a sometimes frustrating experience. You're meant to compensate for the hard edges of the operating system, instead of the operating system being designed for humans.

macOS is fine, you guys are just overreacting… Is it perfect? No. Is it usable? Clearly yes.

by thiht 22d ago

macOS is fine, you guys are just overreacting… Is it perfect? No. Is it usable? Clearly yes.

switchbak 22d ago

Maybe they have standards and preferences. "fine" and "overreacting" seem like your very subjective value judgements.

thiht 21d ago
Ok, so they can migrate to an OS that fits their standards and preferences, no need to make it a militant stance with "vote with your wallet" or whatever. You like Linux or Windows better, go use it, Apple won't be mad

mgaunard 22d ago

My M5 pro macbook panics one to two times a week. I narrowed it down to an issue with a thunderbolt-linked ethernet adapter. I reported it about ten times, Apple never replied or addressed it. After a while I decided to take things into my own hands, and to write my own driver. Just installing a VM you can load a driver in for development and testing was a two-week effort. Everything locked down. Their VM infrastructure is so bad you can't even properly emulate or route the device, so in the end the only way to test it properly was to install the driver in the real thing, which is extremely disturbing to productivity, as the device you're working on constantly crashes. The whole platform is developer-hostile, which is essentially the same thing as user-hostile as far as I'm concerned. Meanwhile, on Linux, zero issues, and writing or testing a driver is child's play. It's literally built for tinkerers.

borisgolovnev 21d ago
FWIW, had similar issues on M2 Max MacBook Pro and they did fix it eventually, in macOS 26. It only took 2-3 years. btw if it happens often, check your cable, try a different one
- mgaunard 19d ago
  With Linux I'm used to just being able to fix problems instead of working around them. With macOS I have to reverse engineer their bootloader with radare2 and remove a stupid safety check just to be able to load a driver.
  - doc_ick 15d ago
    I think you said it best before, Linux is made for tinkerers. Why are you expecting a Mac system to operate like Linux? As much as I like Mac I know it will never be used for games, so I use something else.

metabagel 21d ago

It's useable, but for me it's a sometimes frustrating experience. You're meant to compensate for the hard edges of the operating system, instead of the operating system being designed for humans.