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Yeah, if I could install Linux without any hacks I will get one. Even if I prefer the body of a X1 Carbon ThinkPad, its keyboard and trackpoint.

by kwanbix 22d ago

bluecalm 22d ago
I am in the same boat. I would buy a Mac if I could run Linux on it. As it is I will pay more for X1 Carbon with a worse CPU just to run free OS on it.
- stasomatic 22d ago
  But you aren't buying a Mac at that point, no? The hardware is 1/2 or 1/4. I'd get an X1 myself if it could run macOS, I like the looks and the aesthetic, don't much care about Linux besides my Proxmox / HA/ *arr setup on an old NUC. Why can't we have it all, eh? :)
  - NamlchakKhandro 22d ago
    LLMs and unified memory
  - bigyabai 22d ago
    > I'd get an X1 myself if it could run macOS There's actually a number of Thinkpads that can. Searching "thinkpad macos efi" will reveal a number of OpenCore configurations that support booting into the various x86 builds of macOS. I set it up once and was surprised to see that even my touchscreen worked, in addition to a HW accelerated desktop.
    - stasomatic 21d ago
      I've used Hackintosh sporadically since the netbook days. Intel support is finally deprecated with Golden Gate, and Rosetta 2 is mostly kaput. I do have a mint x230 I7, might throw Tahoe on it for fun.
      - bigyabai 21d ago
        Nothing wrong with old macOS. I doubt anyone is running post-Big Sur for the "looks and the aesthetic" of Liquid Glass...
  - bluecalm 21d ago
    Mac is actually cheaper I think. I am looking for laptops with 64GB of RAM. X1 Carbon with not even top Intel CPU costs the same as Macbook pro with 18 core M5 PRO and 64GB of RAM. Mac has much better GPU (not even close), much faster CPU (not close either). I am getting about half the performance (if you combine CPU and GPU) for the same price with X1 Carbon. It's true X1 is lighter, arguably has a better keyboard (although that's a judgement call) and has a trackpoint. At this point though Apple wins on both performance and price overall.
gregors 22d ago
Agreed. I loved Macs, but I need it to run Linux.

Yeah, if I could install Linux without any hacks I will get one. Even if I prefer the body of a X1 Carbon ThinkPad, its keyboard and trackpoint.

by kwanbix 22d ago

Yeah, if I could install Linux without any hacks I will get one. Even if I prefer the body of a X1 Carbon ThinkPad, its keyboard and trackpoint.

bluecalm 22d ago

I am in the same boat. I would buy a Mac if I could run Linux on it. As it is I will pay more for X1 Carbon with a worse CPU just to run free OS on it.

stasomatic 22d ago
But you aren't buying a Mac at that point, no? The hardware is 1/2 or 1/4. I'd get an X1 myself if it could run macOS, I like the looks and the aesthetic, don't much care about Linux besides my Proxmox / HA/ *arr setup on an old NUC. Why can't we have it all, eh? :)
- NamlchakKhandro 22d ago
  LLMs and unified memory
- bigyabai 22d ago
  > I'd get an X1 myself if it could run macOS There's actually a number of Thinkpads that can. Searching "thinkpad macos efi" will reveal a number of OpenCore configurations that support booting into the various x86 builds of macOS. I set it up once and was surprised to see that even my touchscreen worked, in addition to a HW accelerated desktop.
  - stasomatic 21d ago
    I've used Hackintosh sporadically since the netbook days. Intel support is finally deprecated with Golden Gate, and Rosetta 2 is mostly kaput. I do have a mint x230 I7, might throw Tahoe on it for fun.
    - bigyabai 21d ago
      Nothing wrong with old macOS. I doubt anyone is running post-Big Sur for the "looks and the aesthetic" of Liquid Glass...
- bluecalm 21d ago
  Mac is actually cheaper I think. I am looking for laptops with 64GB of RAM. X1 Carbon with not even top Intel CPU costs the same as Macbook pro with 18 core M5 PRO and 64GB of RAM. Mac has much better GPU (not even close), much faster CPU (not close either). I am getting about half the performance (if you combine CPU and GPU) for the same price with X1 Carbon. It's true X1 is lighter, arguably has a better keyboard (although that's a judgement call) and has a trackpoint. At this point though Apple wins on both performance and price overall.

gregors 22d ago

Agreed. I loved Macs, but I need it to run Linux.