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It's because the xmpp standard is absolutely brutal. I've tried to stand up a server and the amount of configuration I had to do just to get off the ground was

It's because the xmpp standard is absolutely brutal. I've tried to stand up a server and the amount of configuration I had to do just to get off the ground was absolute nonsense. It's sort of the Apache of chat protocols and that's not a compliment.

Semaphor 23d ago
> I've tried to stand up a server and the amount of configuration I had to do I run my own server for 2 people. Using Prosody [0] took some config but wasn’t that hard. Easier than installing Arch, harder than installing Windows ;) Nowadays, there is also Snikket [1] by the Prosody maintainer, which is essentially an opinionated all-in-one configuration setup based on Prosody, barely any config needed. [0]: https://prosody.im/ https://prosody.im/ [1]: https://snikket.org/ https://snikket.org/
- rtpg 23d ago
  to anyone reading this who is thinking of setting up snikket: suffer through setting up prosody. It's a bit futzy but you won't find yourself saying "ah if only I had tried a bit harder" 10x a minute when trying to configure things later on.
tredre3 23d ago
Counter point: I ran prosody for years and changed almost nothing to the defaults. Just like with Apache, all you need is a sane default configuration that covers the most common use cases, and I think modern XMPP servers offer that.
- Semaphor 23d ago
  FWIW, I think I had to fight a bit to figure out setting everything up correctly for uploads to work. But as I said in sibling, nothing too problematic.
agile-gift0262 23d ago
Try out Snikket. Really easy to set up, with sensible defaults. You just docker compose up and have a pretty funcional XMPP server without needing to configure much. Adding complex things such as gateways onto Snikket is a bit more complicated, as you have to deal with Docker volumes etc to put the right file in the right place, but I found it easy to manage. I've been running my Snikket instance with gateways for WhatsApp and Matrix for a couple of years now and I'm really happy. It's very low maintenance
ezst 23d ago
What server was that? I got into the XMPP self hosting game in 2014, even then, ejabberd was one of the most "fire and forget" piece of server software I was running. It takes some ports opening and some DNS SRV records to be set and you are good to go with all chat, calls and social features.

Semaphor 23d ago

> I've tried to stand up a server and the amount of configuration I had to do I run my own server for 2 people. Using Prosody [0] took some config but wasn’t that hard. Easier than installing Arch, harder than installing Windows ;) Nowadays, there is also Snikket [1] by the Prosody maintainer, which is essentially an opinionated all-in-one configuration setup based on Prosody, barely any config needed. [0]: https://prosody.im/ https://prosody.im/ [1]: https://snikket.org/ https://snikket.org/

rtpg 23d ago
to anyone reading this who is thinking of setting up snikket: suffer through setting up prosody. It's a bit futzy but you won't find yourself saying "ah if only I had tried a bit harder" 10x a minute when trying to configure things later on.

tredre3 23d ago

Counter point: I ran prosody for years and changed almost nothing to the defaults. Just like with Apache, all you need is a sane default configuration that covers the most common use cases, and I think modern XMPP servers offer that.

Semaphor 23d ago
FWIW, I think I had to fight a bit to figure out setting everything up correctly for uploads to work. But as I said in sibling, nothing too problematic.

agile-gift0262 23d ago

Try out Snikket. Really easy to set up, with sensible defaults. You just docker compose up and have a pretty funcional XMPP server without needing to configure much. Adding complex things such as gateways onto Snikket is a bit more complicated, as you have to deal with Docker volumes etc to put the right file in the right place, but I found it easy to manage. I've been running my Snikket instance with gateways for WhatsApp and Matrix for a couple of years now and I'm really happy. It's very low maintenance

ezst 23d ago

What server was that? I got into the XMPP self hosting game in 2014, even then, ejabberd was one of the most "fire and forget" piece of server software I was running. It takes some ports opening and some DNS SRV records to be set and you are good to go with all chat, calls and social features.