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Why would China care if Taiwan blows up its fabs? The talent is still there, so they could rebuild, or recruit the talent to work for Chinese mainland fabs ins

Why would China care if Taiwan blows up its fabs? The talent is still there, so they could rebuild, or recruit the talent to work for Chinese mainland fabs instead?

r_lee 23d ago
wouldn't it be more likely that they'd flee to e.g. the US which would poach them and shower them with money? maybe easier said than done but still
- mycall 23d ago
  Can't flee if your island is encircled and shooting down airplanes. China's military drills are executing exactly this.
- golem14 23d ago
  The US could do this TODAY. Just saying.
  - Dylan16807 23d ago
    The US cannot offer lots of money to chip fab refugees today, because they are not refugees. Trying to headhunt people at a high quality job is very different.
    - mjevans 23d ago
      The pay might not be as good but they could also go to Europe. Might depend where they've got family / contacts.
      - danudey 22d ago
        Part of the reason a Chinese invasion of Taiwan seems more realistic is Trump being a sycophant towards any dictator who will give him the time of day, including Xi Jinping. It's not impossible, but I feel as though if Trump decides that China is friends and Taiwan is enemies (as he seems to have done with North/South Korea lately) then Taiwanese refugees might not be as eager to move to the US as, say, Canada, Australia, or Europe.
klausa 23d ago
> The talent is still there, so they could rebuild, or recruit the talent to work for Chinese mainland fabs instead? Would you voluntarily work in a country that invaded and taken over yours? Would you ask the same about Russia recruiting Ukrainians?
- d5lt5 23d ago
  Not everyone is affected by propaganda, either US/Taiwanese or Chinese one. Some are. Some people also want to feed their families and not be unemployed. P.S. A large number of Ukrainians moved to Russia. Including the ones who wanted to reunite with their relatives. Taiwanese have a lot of relatives on the mainland as well.
  - sofixa 23d ago
    > A large number of Ukrainians moved to Russia Citation very much needed.
    - d5lt5 23d ago
      1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis 2. https://data.unhcr.org/en/documents/download/117204 https://data.unhcr.org/en/documents/download/117204 - 1.2 million.
      - sofixa 23d ago
        > *As of mid-June 2023 an estimated 1.2 million Ukrainians were recorded in the Russian Federation under different legal forms of stay (other than refugee or temporary asylum status) This means people that have Ukrainian citizenship, which includes lots of families that were on both sides of the border. It does not mean people who were residents of Ukraine before the war, and decided to move to Russia. It does include the kidnapped children, and surviving people in occupied cities.
toyg 22d ago
We are talking about facilities that are extremely complex and expensive to build, to the point that only a very small handful of locations in the world exist today - despite their massive economic value. TSMC is not something you can rebuild with some brains in front of laptops.

Why would China care if Taiwan blows up its fabs? The talent is still there, so they could rebuild, or recruit the talent to work for Chinese mainland fabs instead?

r_lee 23d ago

wouldn't it be more likely that they'd flee to e.g. the US which would poach them and shower them with money? maybe easier said than done but still

mycall 23d ago
Can't flee if your island is encircled and shooting down airplanes. China's military drills are executing exactly this.
golem14 23d ago
The US could do this TODAY. Just saying.
- Dylan16807 23d ago
  The US cannot offer lots of money to chip fab refugees today, because they are not refugees. Trying to headhunt people at a high quality job is very different.
  - mjevans 23d ago
    The pay might not be as good but they could also go to Europe. Might depend where they've got family / contacts.
    - danudey 22d ago
      Part of the reason a Chinese invasion of Taiwan seems more realistic is Trump being a sycophant towards any dictator who will give him the time of day, including Xi Jinping. It's not impossible, but I feel as though if Trump decides that China is friends and Taiwan is enemies (as he seems to have done with North/South Korea lately) then Taiwanese refugees might not be as eager to move to the US as, say, Canada, Australia, or Europe.

klausa 23d ago

> The talent is still there, so they could rebuild, or recruit the talent to work for Chinese mainland fabs instead? Would you voluntarily work in a country that invaded and taken over yours? Would you ask the same about Russia recruiting Ukrainians?

d5lt5 23d ago
Not everyone is affected by propaganda, either US/Taiwanese or Chinese one. Some are. Some people also want to feed their families and not be unemployed. P.S. A large number of Ukrainians moved to Russia. Including the ones who wanted to reunite with their relatives. Taiwanese have a lot of relatives on the mainland as well.
- sofixa 23d ago
  > A large number of Ukrainians moved to Russia Citation very much needed.
  - d5lt5 23d ago
    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_refugee_crisis 2. https://data.unhcr.org/en/documents/download/117204 https://data.unhcr.org/en/documents/download/117204 - 1.2 million.
    - sofixa 23d ago
      > *As of mid-June 2023 an estimated 1.2 million Ukrainians were recorded in the Russian Federation under different legal forms of stay (other than refugee or temporary asylum status) This means people that have Ukrainian citizenship, which includes lots of families that were on both sides of the border. It does not mean people who were residents of Ukraine before the war, and decided to move to Russia. It does include the kidnapped children, and surviving people in occupied cities.

toyg 22d ago

We are talking about facilities that are extremely complex and expensive to build, to the point that only a very small handful of locations in the world exist today - despite their massive economic value. TSMC is not something you can rebuild with some brains in front of laptops.