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Little hysterical no? Everywhere has their problems, I think Europe is doing fine. Where do you think is a model society ?

Razengan 23d ago
Uranus, where I have announced myself as undisputed leader.
- reillyse 23d ago
  In light of your unilateral pronouncement, I’d like to deliver my own message to all the loyal residents of Anuses everywhere… this too shall pass.
- fakedang 23d ago
  As Supreme overlord of Saturn, I soundly dispute your assertion.
svobodamartin 23d ago
Its a frustration and seeing things, that cant be unseen, speaking.. I don't know where model is, but what would be ideal: valuing own history, values, societies over not own, being strong outwardly and soft inwardly/on own people (not vice versa as is now), being practical and forward thinking over posing as a "leader in regulation" with suppressing everything meaningful hangover. There are tons of examples of strategically bad political decisions with long term broad consequences. Reminds me of "everything is fine" meme.
- reillyse 23d ago
  What country in Europe are you referring to? Your objections seem to be quite broad and lack focus but seem to be alluding to the specific. Give me an example of what you mean? I think leadership is hard. I’m not sure I buy the idea that a group of countries should be “hard” on anyone.
  - svobodamartin 23d ago
    Political decision to close modern nuclear powerplants without replacement - Germany. Experts made a petition to reopen them. Migration - EU failed for many years to protect its border against illegal imigration - millions came, half a mil now legalized in Spain. Overregulation - EU institutions themselves now acknowledge that regulatory and administrative burdens are hurting EU competitivenes "Integration"/security - imigrants choose rich countries with good social benefits while in some areas inner security drops (car attacks, knife attacks, ra*es) Greendeal-carbon pricing paid by industries to meet strict quotas, soon also paid by households, very expensive for europeans while having near zero effect on global emmisions in commparisson to China/rest of the world aka too much pain/costs for "nothing". Digital regulation - via DSA, fight against so called "hate speech" and "disinformation" Unrealized gains taxes - Netherlands Exit taxes - France, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Spain, Belgium (conditions vary in each coountry). Demographical colapse - all EU countries have born rate below replacement level 2.1 (average 1.34 for EU in 2024) Strategic dependency - Europe made itself super dependent on Russia for energy and from military POV on USA, both of these dependencies are now being painfully corrected Digital ID/CBDC: EU is building digital ID and digital euro, tools with obvious future potential for surveillance and control. Concerning being "hard" I meant mainly protecting our borders, being hard on enforcing them and our own laws equally on everybody, being strong independent just Europe in general Obviously I am no expert in (geo)politics, just an average Joe observing concerning tendencies and not liking direction EU is heading.
    - reillyse 23d ago
      I don't really see these as problems. I think the world needs someone to lead on the environment and Europe is more than rich enough that they can handle some short term pain. The countries aren't trying to maximize for short term gains like some other countries and thinking more long term and I think that is a great thing. From the top. Nuclear - many people in Europe are anti nuclear Migration - Europe is going to need migrants and I think most Europeans are in favor of a kinder Migration system I like European regulation, particularly food regulation - I think it makes for high quality food. Besides, companies always complain about regulation. Crime has decreased substantially in Europe since 2000 - lots of people are stoking tensions though for their own political ends Carbon tax is good, the world should adopt one, Europe can lead on this. Digital Regulation, more problematic for me but people are beginning to see the issues are social media and online porn, something has been needed here for a while Taxes, lots of countries have taxes. Many countries have exit taxes - seems to be a problem for richer people. Birth rate - as countries get richer they have less kids... not going to be forcing people to have kids so I'm not sure what the solution is there but I think Migration will play a role. .... basically all of these sound like a bunch of Fox news soundbites rather than real world issues that Europeans have and I feel most Europeans are in favor of these things so this is how Democracy works. I like that they are thinking longer term and not doing stupid shit like invading countries and killing people. I think thats a win in and of itself. Also, Europe has been peaceful for several generations now which is also a huge win.

Razengan 23d ago

Uranus, where I have announced myself as undisputed leader.

reillyse 23d ago
In light of your unilateral pronouncement, I’d like to deliver my own message to all the loyal residents of Anuses everywhere… this too shall pass.
fakedang 23d ago
As Supreme overlord of Saturn, I soundly dispute your assertion.

svobodamartin 23d ago

Its a frustration and seeing things, that cant be unseen, speaking.. I don't know where model is, but what would be ideal: valuing own history, values, societies over not own, being strong outwardly and soft inwardly/on own people (not vice versa as is now), being practical and forward thinking over posing as a "leader in regulation" with suppressing everything meaningful hangover. There are tons of examples of strategically bad political decisions with long term broad consequences. Reminds me of "everything is fine" meme.

reillyse 23d ago
What country in Europe are you referring to? Your objections seem to be quite broad and lack focus but seem to be alluding to the specific. Give me an example of what you mean? I think leadership is hard. I’m not sure I buy the idea that a group of countries should be “hard” on anyone.
- svobodamartin 23d ago
  Political decision to close modern nuclear powerplants without replacement - Germany. Experts made a petition to reopen them. Migration - EU failed for many years to protect its border against illegal imigration - millions came, half a mil now legalized in Spain. Overregulation - EU institutions themselves now acknowledge that regulatory and administrative burdens are hurting EU competitivenes "Integration"/security - imigrants choose rich countries with good social benefits while in some areas inner security drops (car attacks, knife attacks, ra*es) Greendeal-carbon pricing paid by industries to meet strict quotas, soon also paid by households, very expensive for europeans while having near zero effect on global emmisions in commparisson to China/rest of the world aka too much pain/costs for "nothing". Digital regulation - via DSA, fight against so called "hate speech" and "disinformation" Unrealized gains taxes - Netherlands Exit taxes - France, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Spain, Belgium (conditions vary in each coountry). Demographical colapse - all EU countries have born rate below replacement level 2.1 (average 1.34 for EU in 2024) Strategic dependency - Europe made itself super dependent on Russia for energy and from military POV on USA, both of these dependencies are now being painfully corrected Digital ID/CBDC: EU is building digital ID and digital euro, tools with obvious future potential for surveillance and control. Concerning being "hard" I meant mainly protecting our borders, being hard on enforcing them and our own laws equally on everybody, being strong independent just Europe in general Obviously I am no expert in (geo)politics, just an average Joe observing concerning tendencies and not liking direction EU is heading.
  - reillyse 23d ago
    I don't really see these as problems. I think the world needs someone to lead on the environment and Europe is more than rich enough that they can handle some short term pain. The countries aren't trying to maximize for short term gains like some other countries and thinking more long term and I think that is a great thing. From the top. Nuclear - many people in Europe are anti nuclear Migration - Europe is going to need migrants and I think most Europeans are in favor of a kinder Migration system I like European regulation, particularly food regulation - I think it makes for high quality food. Besides, companies always complain about regulation. Crime has decreased substantially in Europe since 2000 - lots of people are stoking tensions though for their own political ends Carbon tax is good, the world should adopt one, Europe can lead on this. Digital Regulation, more problematic for me but people are beginning to see the issues are social media and online porn, something has been needed here for a while Taxes, lots of countries have taxes. Many countries have exit taxes - seems to be a problem for richer people. Birth rate - as countries get richer they have less kids... not going to be forcing people to have kids so I'm not sure what the solution is there but I think Migration will play a role. .... basically all of these sound like a bunch of Fox news soundbites rather than real world issues that Europeans have and I feel most Europeans are in favor of these things so this is how Democracy works. I like that they are thinking longer term and not doing stupid shit like invading countries and killing people. I think thats a win in and of itself. Also, Europe has been peaceful for several generations now which is also a huge win.