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The GPU performance is insane too, approaches M5 results at ~20W. Of course it will be in Android phones so it will be throttle hard past 4W and will have terr
by simjnd 23d ago
The GPU performance is insane too, approaches M5 results at ~20W.
Of course it will be in Android phones so it will be throttle hard past 4W and will have terrible drivers.
I wish phones moved to HPB packaging and active cooling so we could have sustained 10W and use them as light workstations.
- snowram 23d agoThat exist, kinda. Android gaming handhelds have mobile SoC and also active cooling. See Ayn and Retroid devices. Their (almost) throttle free is a very nice experience.
- simjnd 23d agoYeah I have an Ayn Thor with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, it's great being able to play fairly demanding Windows games on this tiny device. It's still PoP with the RAM stacked on top in a plastic casing so you need a pretty big fan to cool it since you have to go through insulating plastic, then the RAM to get to the CPU. With a HPB packaging you can cool the CPU directly and could theoretically get the same amount of cooling power with a much smaller fan that could be integrated into a thing smartphone (à la RedMagic).
- lostmsu 23d agoXiaomi smartphones were extremely well made at least a few years ago. Even the core software was impressive vs Google for example (try echo cancellation on any of your non-Xiaomi devices). Its only real problem is ads.
- simjnd 23d agoYeah it wasn't a dig a Xiaomi specifically. All Android devices have broken Vulkan drivers. We have to rely on alternative open-source drivers (e.g. Turnip for Snapdragon) for real compatibility and performance.
- jayd16 23d agoJust get a laptop?
- dagmx 23d agoI’m not sure I follow why the performance is “Insane” This is a M5 level chip that runs slightly within a ballpark of M5 wattage (afaik M5 is between 15W max on an iPad and 30W max CPU+GPU on a cooled Mac) This is running in a thermally unconstrained bench setup and has potentially worse power consumption with what will be lower than previous gen performance when this and the alleged M6 are truly out.
- simjnd 23d agoSo tired of people on HN calling you out for being excited about tech. It gets M5-level numbers at 12-14W. It gets about 30% better perf than the A19 Pro at equal wattage on the whole 4W - 8W range. So no it's not worse power consumption than prev gen. This is ARM's stock GPU having finally caught up and being competitive with Apple and Qualcomm's mobile GPUs. This is insane to me. Stay cynical if you want, I have the right to be excited about it.
- dagmx 22d agoI’m not trying to say you shouldn’t be excited by it. But there’s a significant number of caveats to every single number you posted but you glossed over the points I made. And in being defensive, you jumped straight from the topic you were discussing (GPU perf) to CPU perf numbers to try and make a point. There’s a difference between being cynical and pragmatic, just as there’s a difference between being hyped and realistic. You haven’t seen this in a product. You’re seeing development board numbers. Be excited all you want but it’s a public forum, if you want to just post without any responses make a blog.
- simjnd 22d agoNo? The numbers I quoted were GPU numbers, sourced from this video [1]. Also I explicitly acknowledged in my first comment that real devices won't be able to draw that kind of power. But 4 watts is 4 watts whether it's in a test bench or a phone. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCCJuOopLK8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCCJuOopLK8