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GLM 5.3 and all previous models don't have a vision encoder and can only accept text. Ox-Alpha can accept video and images, so unless Z-ai added a pretty good v
by volf_ 23d ago
GLM 5.3 and all previous models don't have a vision encoder and can only accept text. Ox-Alpha can accept video and images, so unless Z-ai added a pretty good vision encoder for this model, I don't think so.
My money is on Moonshot and this being Kimi K3.5. The measured tps and latency is in-line with K3's tps and latency from Moonshot.
MiniMax M3.5 is also possible (but the MiniiMax provider is a lot more performant than the lab behind ox-alpha, so less likely).
- Almondsetat 23d agoDeepSeek literally just came out with the vision-enabled version of Flash v4 which was purely text based. Why would GLM not be able to do the same thing?
- volf_ 23d agoIt's possible
- Bolwin 23d agoGlm had made vision models in the past. Look up GLM 5v. The only question now is if it's 5.3v, 5.4/5.5 or a dedicated flash/vision model
- volf_ 23d agoYeah. It could be. The Z.ai DC latency is still ~1.2s faster than whomever is serving this model.
- BoredomIsFun 23d agoGLM made pretty decent for that time small 9b vision model, GLM-4.1.
- nylonstrung 23d agoIt would be stranger to me that Kimi switched to GLM's tokenizer than that GLM added multimodal like Kimi and Deepseek both did recently
- minimaxir 23d agoThe other tell from the provider angle is capacity. Whoever is hosting Ox Alpha has a lot of capacity which narrows down a lot of the Chinese companies.
- TiredOfLife 23d agoBut Moonshot limited signups because they lacked compute.
- Havoc 23d ago> and all previous models They have had vision models before just not their flagships
- ggcr 23d agoZ.ai founders were one of the pioneers in MM-LLMs with Cog-VLM years ago, back when LLaVA emerged. I wouldn't be surprised if they added multi-modal capabilities
- ricardobeat 22d agoI hope this is not Kimi K3.5 because it really sucks. It is very slow, not particularly smart when it comes to coding, and easily starts going in circles - when not straight up going into a doom loop.