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I kind of still chill out on Opus 4.6 too. 4.8 is good too. I go between them. Opus 4.8 is a little smarter some of the time. Their use of language is both very

I kind of still chill out on Opus 4.6 too. 4.8 is good too. I go between them. Opus 4.8 is a little smarter some of the time. Their use of language is both very different from Opus 5. Some of the time I have a hard time believing Opus 5 is even related to Opus 4.6 and 4.8.

Retr0id 24d ago
I'm going to be sad when they retire 4.6. It's not my daily driver but it's still my go-to when the other models are being stupid in one way or another (either being too verbose, or lecturing me about how what I'm asking for is evil and bad).
- Melonai 24d ago
  Hah! I was so surprised to get that "lecturing" behavior from Opus 5 too, I didn't know it was more common.
- pertymcpert 24d ago
  I tested all recent Opus versions and 4.6 and 4.7 were both fine FWIW. Seems 4.8 is when something started to go wrong.
  - bitexploder 24d ago
    That seems about right. 4.8 is like in between 4.6 and 5 in terms of capability and language and they are all pretty close honestly. I just default to using Opus 5 for a coding agent that I don't interact with and I like driving with Opus 4.6 or Fable. Fable thinks too much though. Fable is like that engineer on your team that will over-engineer the shit out of something if you let them. Fable was like, "Here are 34 yaks, which shall we shave first <hands rubbing together>" and I was like can't we just... write the script first and then decide of any of these poor yaks need shaving?
- perching_aix 24d ago
  Can you give an example? It's a bit entertaining to read this given all the years long (and still ongoing) posturing about LLM sycophancy (not that all of these couldn't be true at the same time).
  - Retr0id 24d ago
    Example: https://gist.github.com/DavidBuchanan314/14ad6977ac3b45af7467b1870161df0a https://gist.github.com/DavidBuchanan314/14ad6977ac3b45af746... (yes, it was a very lazy prompt I could easily have googled, but that makes the refusal even more bewildering)
cl-coder 23d ago
4.6 has been most reliable model for me to get readable text out.

Retr0id 24d ago

I'm going to be sad when they retire 4.6. It's not my daily driver but it's still my go-to when the other models are being stupid in one way or another (either being too verbose, or lecturing me about how what I'm asking for is evil and bad).

Melonai 24d ago
Hah! I was so surprised to get that "lecturing" behavior from Opus 5 too, I didn't know it was more common.
pertymcpert 24d ago
I tested all recent Opus versions and 4.6 and 4.7 were both fine FWIW. Seems 4.8 is when something started to go wrong.
- bitexploder 24d ago
  That seems about right. 4.8 is like in between 4.6 and 5 in terms of capability and language and they are all pretty close honestly. I just default to using Opus 5 for a coding agent that I don't interact with and I like driving with Opus 4.6 or Fable. Fable thinks too much though. Fable is like that engineer on your team that will over-engineer the shit out of something if you let them. Fable was like, "Here are 34 yaks, which shall we shave first <hands rubbing together>" and I was like can't we just... write the script first and then decide of any of these poor yaks need shaving?
perching_aix 24d ago
Can you give an example? It's a bit entertaining to read this given all the years long (and still ongoing) posturing about LLM sycophancy (not that all of these couldn't be true at the same time).
- Retr0id 24d ago
  Example: https://gist.github.com/DavidBuchanan314/14ad6977ac3b45af7467b1870161df0a https://gist.github.com/DavidBuchanan314/14ad6977ac3b45af746... (yes, it was a very lazy prompt I could easily have googled, but that makes the refusal even more bewildering)

cl-coder 23d ago

4.6 has been most reliable model for me to get readable text out.