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> now we will never have better stuff. I disagree. Some of us love tinkering and learning and experimenting. AI can help with that. People like us will always

> now we will never have better stuff. I disagree. Some of us love tinkering and learning and experimenting. AI can help with that. People like us will always do it. Hobbyist will continue to innovate even if others don’t.

coldtea 27d ago
>I disagree. Some of us love tinkering and learning and experimenting. Which means that instead of millions forced to learn and get good as part of their job, it would be a much smaller percentage of "hobbyists who love to tinker" doing it. And even that tinkerer subset would be smaller than before in the future, since now many that would have turned into tinkerers would be tempted to just use AI, or never develop the taste and skills to be good tinkerers to begin with. So what you wrote proves what the parent wrote, and is not an argument against it. You're basically saying "huge problem isn't a problem because there will always be some small number of people it won't affect".
- gamerDude 26d ago
  Or everyone will find AI development incredible boring over time because everything already exists and is easy to make and will turn to going deep into their own hobby because of it. I don't think we really know the second and third order effects here.
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  - qsera 26d ago
    > everyone will find AI development incredible boring over time A lot of us already does. Some people feel that they enjoy it because they already enjoy creating via programming from past experience. But these people, while they get to create more, I think they actually enjoy doing it less. And overtime, they will actually do it less and less until there is no "Wow AI did it" factor wears off... I think we know from how Internet changed things. Internet actually made it a lot easier to do stuff without actually understanding things. Even before Internet computer magazines contained code listings that you can type into the computer to "make" stuff. I never did that because I did not enjoy it because it took the joy out of figuring out it on your own. From this experience I know that just making it happen, is not the thing that gives the greater joy. And without that greater joy, without crossing that threshold, one is not going to keep coming back to it. I know this with near certainty.
- BerislavLopac 26d ago
  > Which means that instead of millions forced to learn and get good as part of their job, it would be a much smaller percentage of "hobbyists who love to tinker" doing it. Plus a growing number of completely new jobs dedicated to research and exploring new directions in software. Just think about another technology that was revolutionary when it appeared: automobiles. At first, you (or your driver) pretty much had to be a mechanic, a metalworker and a "tinkerer" to maintain the car; but the majority of people just need a car to take them from one place to another. But research and development of new automotive technologies didn't stop, on the contrary.
qsera 27d ago
I hope you are right.

coldtea 27d ago

>I disagree. Some of us love tinkering and learning and experimenting. Which means that instead of millions forced to learn and get good as part of their job, it would be a much smaller percentage of "hobbyists who love to tinker" doing it. And even that tinkerer subset would be smaller than before in the future, since now many that would have turned into tinkerers would be tempted to just use AI, or never develop the taste and skills to be good tinkerers to begin with. So what you wrote proves what the parent wrote, and is not an argument against it. You're basically saying "huge problem isn't a problem because there will always be some small number of people it won't affect".

gamerDude 26d ago
Or everyone will find AI development incredible boring over time because everything already exists and is easy to make and will turn to going deep into their own hobby because of it. I don't think we really know the second and third order effects here.
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- qsera 26d ago
  > everyone will find AI development incredible boring over time A lot of us already does. Some people feel that they enjoy it because they already enjoy creating via programming from past experience. But these people, while they get to create more, I think they actually enjoy doing it less. And overtime, they will actually do it less and less until there is no "Wow AI did it" factor wears off... I think we know from how Internet changed things. Internet actually made it a lot easier to do stuff without actually understanding things. Even before Internet computer magazines contained code listings that you can type into the computer to "make" stuff. I never did that because I did not enjoy it because it took the joy out of figuring out it on your own. From this experience I know that just making it happen, is not the thing that gives the greater joy. And without that greater joy, without crossing that threshold, one is not going to keep coming back to it. I know this with near certainty.
BerislavLopac 26d ago
> Which means that instead of millions forced to learn and get good as part of their job, it would be a much smaller percentage of "hobbyists who love to tinker" doing it. Plus a growing number of completely new jobs dedicated to research and exploring new directions in software. Just think about another technology that was revolutionary when it appeared: automobiles. At first, you (or your driver) pretty much had to be a mechanic, a metalworker and a "tinkerer" to maintain the car; but the majority of people just need a car to take them from one place to another. But research and development of new automotive technologies didn't stop, on the contrary.

qsera 27d ago

I hope you are right.