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Most countries in Europe have more restrictive abortion policies than a state chosen at random in the US. Your perception is unbelievably flawed. Almost this en

Most countries in Europe have more restrictive abortion policies than a state chosen at random in the US. Your perception is unbelievably flawed. Almost this entire thread has a cartoon/marvel comic version of "US BAD, everyone else good" in their heads.

snowpid 25d ago
The reason is there is a huge movement against abortions and gay people in the US including the president voted by 50%+. E.g. Germany has strict abortion laws and liberal gay laws, but no real important movement to strict abortions or exclude gay people. This is the reason of perception. Maybe you should ask yourself why people in the internet feel like that.
- SpicyLemonZest 24d ago
  The first line of German law on abortions is "Whosoever terminates a pregnancy shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine.". If this had been adopted into the US criminal code in the 2010s, even with all the same exceptions and caveats, I'm pretty confident that American anti-abortion advocates would have declared victory and moved on. Germany legalized same-sex marriage two years after the US, and it's really a non-issue in both countries today. Scott Bessent is married to a man and I don't think I've seen a single politician comment on or care about it. The reason people on the Internet feel differently is that they have an incorrect understanding of these issues.
  - snowpid 23d ago
    I talked about Trump. You ignore it, but for starter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020s_anti-LGBTQ_movement_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020s_anti-LGBTQ_movement_in_t... And abortion in Germany is practically legal for the 3 months. Though CDU is against abortions the current government hasnt done any step to stiff it, quiet in contrast to Trump government. Many Americans just ignore Trump. Probably they really think they live in the greatest nation on Earth and Trump is just a minor annoyance or something.
    - SpicyLemonZest 23d ago
      I'm not ignoring it at all. It's true, as this article says, that Trump and his political movement are anti-trans. But they have no issue with gay people. This fact is strange and confusing to many people involved in LGBTQ advocacy, who see sexual and gender diversity as linked issues. They don't understand how someone could possibly square this circle, so they occasionally try to construct 4D chess theories of how Trump secretly hates gay people too. But there's really no evidence of that.
Cpoll 25d ago
Those European countries are miles ahead on metrics that matter, like maternal mortality rate.
ragazzina 24d ago
>Most countries in Europe have more restrictive abortion policies than a state chosen at random in the US. You mean "a state chosen at random among those were abortion is legal in the US" I hope? You'd be wrong anyway, but less so.
- heyjamesknight 24d ago
  More than half of states have significantly more permissive abortion laws than OP's gone country of Denmark (18 weeks). Most of Europe limits at 14 weeks. You are misinformed.

snowpid 25d ago

The reason is there is a huge movement against abortions and gay people in the US including the president voted by 50%+. E.g. Germany has strict abortion laws and liberal gay laws, but no real important movement to strict abortions or exclude gay people. This is the reason of perception. Maybe you should ask yourself why people in the internet feel like that.

SpicyLemonZest 24d ago
The first line of German law on abortions is "Whosoever terminates a pregnancy shall be liable to imprisonment not exceeding three years or a fine.". If this had been adopted into the US criminal code in the 2010s, even with all the same exceptions and caveats, I'm pretty confident that American anti-abortion advocates would have declared victory and moved on. Germany legalized same-sex marriage two years after the US, and it's really a non-issue in both countries today. Scott Bessent is married to a man and I don't think I've seen a single politician comment on or care about it. The reason people on the Internet feel differently is that they have an incorrect understanding of these issues.
- snowpid 23d ago
  I talked about Trump. You ignore it, but for starter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020s_anti-LGBTQ_movement_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020s_anti-LGBTQ_movement_in_t... And abortion in Germany is practically legal for the 3 months. Though CDU is against abortions the current government hasnt done any step to stiff it, quiet in contrast to Trump government. Many Americans just ignore Trump. Probably they really think they live in the greatest nation on Earth and Trump is just a minor annoyance or something.
  - SpicyLemonZest 23d ago
    I'm not ignoring it at all. It's true, as this article says, that Trump and his political movement are anti-trans. But they have no issue with gay people. This fact is strange and confusing to many people involved in LGBTQ advocacy, who see sexual and gender diversity as linked issues. They don't understand how someone could possibly square this circle, so they occasionally try to construct 4D chess theories of how Trump secretly hates gay people too. But there's really no evidence of that.

Cpoll 25d ago

Those European countries are miles ahead on metrics that matter, like maternal mortality rate.

ragazzina 24d ago

>Most countries in Europe have more restrictive abortion policies than a state chosen at random in the US. You mean "a state chosen at random among those were abortion is legal in the US" I hope? You'd be wrong anyway, but less so.

heyjamesknight 24d ago
More than half of states have significantly more permissive abortion laws than OP's gone country of Denmark (18 weeks). Most of Europe limits at 14 weeks. You are misinformed.