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But this can also just be removed from the app stores and the developer certificates can be revoked. Due to the centralized control and distribution of software

But this can also just be removed from the app stores and the developer certificates can be revoked. Due to the centralized control and distribution of software on smartphones, no smartphone based payment system is really sovereign - it only exists because the US allows it to.

Moldoteck 25d ago
ability to sideload would help greatly
- ulrikrasmussen 25d ago
  Yes, but Google is making that a lot more difficult soon, at least on stock Android
hahn-kev 25d ago
Except that's a very different threat than with Credit cards. Sure Google could do that, but Europe could even just make their own android fork if they wanted and that would be far easier than replacing the whole credit card system. And I doubt they would even need to fork Android, they could side load, or just make their own app store and require it to be installed on phones sold in the EU.
- ulrikrasmussen 25d ago
  It's not a trivial task, but yes, they could and should. They could also just officially start supporting existing android alternatives such as GrapheneOS by requiring banks and government ID apps to be independent of Play Integrity, which can be done today for very little money and effort. Sideloading is not at option from 2027 since it will be made much much more difficult than it is today, requiring users to enable it via developer options and wait 24 hours.
inigyou 24d ago
Google and Apple comply with EU law for some reason. Probably because they want to sell phones.
- ulrikrasmussen 24d ago
  What law gives a developer the right to be published on app stores? And why would it make a difference if the US administration sanctions the EU?
  - inigyou 23d ago
    The Digital Markets Act, thank you for asking. Did you know other countries are other countries and don't have obey the US's corporate supremacy principle?
whyagaindavid 24d ago
Let them do it once. Please. Even if there a hint of threating to shutdown -that would make EU leaders act. Otherwise they dont act or react. Pretty sure they will order 3rd party stores to open up. Sure, iPhone users are f'ked but at least Android will prove itself.

Moldoteck 25d ago

ability to sideload would help greatly

ulrikrasmussen 25d ago
Yes, but Google is making that a lot more difficult soon, at least on stock Android

hahn-kev 25d ago

Except that's a very different threat than with Credit cards. Sure Google could do that, but Europe could even just make their own android fork if they wanted and that would be far easier than replacing the whole credit card system. And I doubt they would even need to fork Android, they could side load, or just make their own app store and require it to be installed on phones sold in the EU.

ulrikrasmussen 25d ago
It's not a trivial task, but yes, they could and should. They could also just officially start supporting existing android alternatives such as GrapheneOS by requiring banks and government ID apps to be independent of Play Integrity, which can be done today for very little money and effort. Sideloading is not at option from 2027 since it will be made much much more difficult than it is today, requiring users to enable it via developer options and wait 24 hours.

inigyou 24d ago

Google and Apple comply with EU law for some reason. Probably because they want to sell phones.

ulrikrasmussen 24d ago
What law gives a developer the right to be published on app stores? And why would it make a difference if the US administration sanctions the EU?
- inigyou 23d ago
  The Digital Markets Act, thank you for asking. Did you know other countries are other countries and don't have obey the US's corporate supremacy principle?

whyagaindavid 24d ago

Let them do it once. Please. Even if there a hint of threating to shutdown -that would make EU leaders act. Otherwise they dont act or react. Pretty sure they will order 3rd party stores to open up. Sure, iPhone users are f'ked but at least Android will prove itself.