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The typical TUI fan is a nerd with no clue about typography so therefore they don't notice any problem with being shown elements that have no reason to be monos

by frou_dh 25d ago

The typical TUI fan is a nerd with no clue about typography so therefore they don't notice any problem with being shown elements that have no reason to be monospaced in monospace. i.e. ignorance is bliss in the world of typography.

Gormo 25d ago
Perhaps the average TUI fan is someone who correctly recognizes the negligible relevance of typography in optimizing their computing workflows, and prefers monospace fonts for purely functional reasons, which naturally take precedence over merely aesthetic concerns when working with functional tools. The total abandonment of the form-follows-function principle on the part of purely visual designers, who worry about what software looks like without considering what it's for, has led to 10-15 years of cumulative usability degradation in almost all categories of software. TUI and CLI software remains one of the last bastions of people actually designing interfaces for functionality and usability.
- frou_dh 25d ago
  You can't dismiss typography as irrelevant and trivial aesthetics. It's a whole field encompassing many things including legibility to humans. There's nothing more "functional" than principled crafting of legibility for each UI element. And no, a crude "Just use the same font in a single size for everything" approach is not the endgame for legibility. Just because there have been some crappy industry trends doesn't mean the answer is to turn away and permanently regress to the confines of a terminal emulator.
  - Gormo 24d ago
    > You can't dismiss typography as irrelevant and trivial aesthetic. Sure I can. That's not to say that it's completely useless and not worthy of any attention at all, just that it is far removed from the primary considerations of software design -- it absolutely is an aesthetic matter that is not an important consideration until functional design is settled.

by frou_dh 25d ago

Gormo 25d ago

Perhaps the average TUI fan is someone who correctly recognizes the negligible relevance of typography in optimizing their computing workflows, and prefers monospace fonts for purely functional reasons, which naturally take precedence over merely aesthetic concerns when working with functional tools. The total abandonment of the form-follows-function principle on the part of purely visual designers, who worry about what software looks like without considering what it's for, has led to 10-15 years of cumulative usability degradation in almost all categories of software. TUI and CLI software remains one of the last bastions of people actually designing interfaces for functionality and usability.

frou_dh 25d ago
You can't dismiss typography as irrelevant and trivial aesthetics. It's a whole field encompassing many things including legibility to humans. There's nothing more "functional" than principled crafting of legibility for each UI element. And no, a crude "Just use the same font in a single size for everything" approach is not the endgame for legibility. Just because there have been some crappy industry trends doesn't mean the answer is to turn away and permanently regress to the confines of a terminal emulator.
- Gormo 24d ago
  > You can't dismiss typography as irrelevant and trivial aesthetic. Sure I can. That's not to say that it's completely useless and not worthy of any attention at all, just that it is far removed from the primary considerations of software design -- it absolutely is an aesthetic matter that is not an important consideration until functional design is settled.