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X11 was 21 years old when the Wayland folks decided it was obsolete and needed to be replaced. Wayland is now about 18 years old. So, by Wayland standards, on

X11 was 21 years old when the Wayland folks decided it was obsolete and needed to be replaced. Wayland is now about 18 years old. So, by Wayland standards, only 3 more years until it, too, will be obsolete and need to be replaced. That day can't come soon enough. :D Maybe the next one will actually be able to do the things I need a display system to do. Until then, at least we've still got X11. And Wayland has taught everyone all sorts of things about what not to do.

account42 26d ago
We already had a similar situation with PulseAudio. Happily outlived that monstrosity.
- ToyKeeper 26d ago
  Exactly. That was one of the first examples which came to mind for me too. I often still use just ALSA, but pipewire is at least pretty decent and mostly "just works". Unlike pulseaudio, which was kind of a plague on Linux audio for ages. On that note, for about 15 years, a funny thing kept happening. Any time anything on my Linux boxes broke, I'd trace the issue to its origin (bug hunting was literally my job, after all), and about half, maybe even two thirds of the time... it traced back to Lennart Poettering. That man was singlehandedly responsible for more than half the bugs I encountered for a decade and a half. It became so routine that I started practicing my impression of Severus Snape, so I could shake my fist at the sky and exclaim, "Poettering!!!" Anyway, Wayland feels like another one of those... where someone has to do it wrong and create a lot of trouble before someone else comes along to do it right. But that second part hasn't happened yet. So it's still in a broken state where half the stuff I do on a daily basis isn't even possible in Wayland.
throwaway84932 27d ago
So many people spreading FUD about Wayland who don't have a clue.
- ToyKeeper 26d ago
  One guy creating an anonymous throwaway account, to make questionable posts without risking action against his real account. BTW, what's the policy on that sort of thing here?
  - throwaway84932 26d ago
    Questionable posts? Care to explain? So not having the same opinion that you have or being in favor of Wayland is questionable now?
    - ToyKeeper 26d ago
      Whether the topic is Wayland or cheese or the finer points of knitting, one does not make an anonymous throwaway account to post statements one wants to stand behind and be associated with. Using an anon burner account makes every comment inherently more questionable than it would otherwise be, regardless of what is actually said.
      - throwaway84932 26d ago
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account42 26d ago

We already had a similar situation with PulseAudio. Happily outlived that monstrosity.

ToyKeeper 26d ago
Exactly. That was one of the first examples which came to mind for me too. I often still use just ALSA, but pipewire is at least pretty decent and mostly "just works". Unlike pulseaudio, which was kind of a plague on Linux audio for ages. On that note, for about 15 years, a funny thing kept happening. Any time anything on my Linux boxes broke, I'd trace the issue to its origin (bug hunting was literally my job, after all), and about half, maybe even two thirds of the time... it traced back to Lennart Poettering. That man was singlehandedly responsible for more than half the bugs I encountered for a decade and a half. It became so routine that I started practicing my impression of Severus Snape, so I could shake my fist at the sky and exclaim, "Poettering!!!" Anyway, Wayland feels like another one of those... where someone has to do it wrong and create a lot of trouble before someone else comes along to do it right. But that second part hasn't happened yet. So it's still in a broken state where half the stuff I do on a daily basis isn't even possible in Wayland.

throwaway84932 27d ago

So many people spreading FUD about Wayland who don't have a clue.

ToyKeeper 26d ago
One guy creating an anonymous throwaway account, to make questionable posts without risking action against his real account. BTW, what's the policy on that sort of thing here?
- throwaway84932 26d ago
  Questionable posts? Care to explain? So not having the same opinion that you have or being in favor of Wayland is questionable now?
  - ToyKeeper 26d ago
    Whether the topic is Wayland or cheese or the finer points of knitting, one does not make an anonymous throwaway account to post statements one wants to stand behind and be associated with. Using an anon burner account makes every comment inherently more questionable than it would otherwise be, regardless of what is actually said.
    - throwaway84932 26d ago
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