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This is a much more substantial changelog than I was expecting for something that is often presented as a deprecated project.

qwertox 27d ago
It basically is a deprecated project.
- mmh0000 27d ago
  That's a new take: Project with new release 1 day ago declared deprecated! I've been using Linux for around 2 decades. I am currently running Fedora 43/KDE Plasma ... and wait for it ... Xorg. Why? Because it works. It works well! Why don't I use Wayland? Because it breaks everything. - Screensharing is just wonky and inconsistent across applications. It has gotten better in the last 2 years, but it's still quite wonky. And janky. And flobby. I **could** put effort into fixing this, but it already works in Xorg. - I have a bunch of Xorg/xdotool scripts bound to hotkeys. Move, resize windows. If AppX is running and the window isn't shown, show it; otherwise, hide it. If AppX and AppY are both running and meta+y is pressed, then tile in a specific way, else do something different. These scripts are either ungodly difficult to rewrite to work in Wayland or just flat-out impossible in the name of "security". - Easystroke. https://github.com/mmh0000/easystroke . Nothing like that exists on Wayland (that actually works). And I can not live without it after having it for 20 years.
  - lenkite 26d ago
    What does easystroke even do ? There is no README in the repo.
    - mmh0000 26d ago
      Sorry. Easystroke is a mouse-gesture program: hold button, draw various lines or shapes, release button. Triggers any action. Like window minimize, execute command This is the “official” repo but it was abandoned long ago: https://github.com/thjaeger/easystroke https://github.com/thjaeger/easystroke My first linked repo is me and Claude working to fix build errors and app bugs to keep it running.
- BeetleB 27d ago
  I use the Gentoo docs as my guide for this - both have first class support and they don't nudge you in either direction. Out of curiosity: Is there any app that works on Wayland but not on X?
  - opan 27d ago
    >Out of curiosity: Is there any app that works on Wayland but not on X? foot, fuzzel, visurf.
    - Y_Y 27d ago
      XWayland
noosphr 27d ago
Redhat stands to lose their defacto control over X after the XLibre fork so they have to stop trying to kill it. Who would have thought that competition would make things better for everyone?
- preisschild 27d ago
  I doubt they care too much. They probably just have customers with applications stuck on a legacy window system. And they pay for that maintenance.
- mrpippy 27d ago
  Alan Coopersmith works at Oracle, on Solaris. I don't know of any effort to use Wayland on Solaris, so maintaining X really is their only option. OTOH, RedHat seems happy to let X die.

qwertox 27d ago

It basically is a deprecated project.

mmh0000 27d ago
That's a new take: Project with new release 1 day ago declared deprecated! I've been using Linux for around 2 decades. I am currently running Fedora 43/KDE Plasma ... and wait for it ... Xorg. Why? Because it works. It works well! Why don't I use Wayland? Because it breaks everything. - Screensharing is just wonky and inconsistent across applications. It has gotten better in the last 2 years, but it's still quite wonky. And janky. And flobby. I **could** put effort into fixing this, but it already works in Xorg. - I have a bunch of Xorg/xdotool scripts bound to hotkeys. Move, resize windows. If AppX is running and the window isn't shown, show it; otherwise, hide it. If AppX and AppY are both running and meta+y is pressed, then tile in a specific way, else do something different. These scripts are either ungodly difficult to rewrite to work in Wayland or just flat-out impossible in the name of "security". - Easystroke. https://github.com/mmh0000/easystroke . Nothing like that exists on Wayland (that actually works). And I can not live without it after having it for 20 years.
- lenkite 26d ago
  What does easystroke even do ? There is no README in the repo.
  - mmh0000 26d ago
    Sorry. Easystroke is a mouse-gesture program: hold button, draw various lines or shapes, release button. Triggers any action. Like window minimize, execute command This is the “official” repo but it was abandoned long ago: https://github.com/thjaeger/easystroke https://github.com/thjaeger/easystroke My first linked repo is me and Claude working to fix build errors and app bugs to keep it running.
BeetleB 27d ago
I use the Gentoo docs as my guide for this - both have first class support and they don't nudge you in either direction. Out of curiosity: Is there any app that works on Wayland but not on X?
- opan 27d ago
  >Out of curiosity: Is there any app that works on Wayland but not on X? foot, fuzzel, visurf.
  - Y_Y 27d ago
    XWayland

noosphr 27d ago

Redhat stands to lose their defacto control over X after the XLibre fork so they have to stop trying to kill it. Who would have thought that competition would make things better for everyone?

preisschild 27d ago
I doubt they care too much. They probably just have customers with applications stuck on a legacy window system. And they pay for that maintenance.
mrpippy 27d ago
Alan Coopersmith works at Oracle, on Solaris. I don't know of any effort to use Wayland on Solaris, so maintaining X really is their only option. OTOH, RedHat seems happy to let X die.