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No non-AI coding anymore? I think not. https://handcraftedcode.org https://handcraftedcode.org

by jaredcwhite 28d ago

aurareturn 28d ago
Some people still make crafts by hand.
- jaredcwhite 27d ago
  Plenty of people on that list maintain serious production systems or open source projects in use by a wide variety of people. It's not just some nerds tinkering in their basement.
  - aurareturn 27d ago
    I don't doubt this is the case. Even if they're producing code by hand, surely they have LLM helpers by now. Coding agents have really only taken off in the last 10 months. So it is still early.
    - selfhoster1312 27d ago
      You are living in a bubble. I've never used LLM helpers, and in my circle nobody does willingly. Those who are forced by their bosses to use such tools really enjoy in their free time coding by hand without a stupid robot watching over their shoulders. We are billions of people opposed to AI as an ecocidal tech and a heteronomous political project, including much of the IT sector. Just because you only follow grifters and scammers trying to profit from the AI bubble doesn't mean "surely" we all follow those trends.
      - aurareturn 27d ago
        To be honest, I think you are the one living in a bubble.
        selfhoster1312 27d ago
        I never pretended otherwise, unlike you. There are multitudes of humans and cultures, but you are reducing us all to your overhyped narrow silicon-valley view of humanity. Just because a few million people adhere to your AI death cult doesn't mean the rest of us "surely" do.
    - solid_fuel 26d ago
      > Even if they're producing code by hand, surely they have LLM helpers by now. Nah. Most of my coworkers got so annoyed by VS Code injecting copilot and other "helpers" that they have switched to Kate or Vim. There are still a lot of places that value engineering excellence, and plenty of people who value doing the actual work and knowing that it is correct, instead of delegating to an LLM and hoping.

No non-AI coding anymore? I think not. https://handcraftedcode.org https://handcraftedcode.org

aurareturn 28d ago

Some people still make crafts by hand.

jaredcwhite 27d ago
Plenty of people on that list maintain serious production systems or open source projects in use by a wide variety of people. It's not just some nerds tinkering in their basement.
- aurareturn 27d ago
  I don't doubt this is the case. Even if they're producing code by hand, surely they have LLM helpers by now. Coding agents have really only taken off in the last 10 months. So it is still early.
  - selfhoster1312 27d ago
    You are living in a bubble. I've never used LLM helpers, and in my circle nobody does willingly. Those who are forced by their bosses to use such tools really enjoy in their free time coding by hand without a stupid robot watching over their shoulders. We are billions of people opposed to AI as an ecocidal tech and a heteronomous political project, including much of the IT sector. Just because you only follow grifters and scammers trying to profit from the AI bubble doesn't mean "surely" we all follow those trends.
    - aurareturn 27d ago
      To be honest, I think you are the one living in a bubble.
      - selfhoster1312 27d ago
        I never pretended otherwise, unlike you. There are multitudes of humans and cultures, but you are reducing us all to your overhyped narrow silicon-valley view of humanity. Just because a few million people adhere to your AI death cult doesn't mean the rest of us "surely" do.
  - solid_fuel 26d ago
    > Even if they're producing code by hand, surely they have LLM helpers by now. Nah. Most of my coworkers got so annoyed by VS Code injecting copilot and other "helpers" that they have switched to Kate or Vim. There are still a lot of places that value engineering excellence, and plenty of people who value doing the actual work and knowing that it is correct, instead of delegating to an LLM and hoping.