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"Allegedly, these policies are also supported on Windows via Group Policy and MacOS using plist files. I wouldn’t know, since I use a real operating system." R

"Allegedly, these policies are also supported on Windows via Group Policy and MacOS using plist files. I wouldn’t know, since I use a real operating system." Real 2006 Slashdot energy here. Very rare to see in the wild these days.

cullumsmith 27d ago
There are some wandering sages who still practice the old ways.
coldpie 27d ago
If you go from using Linux for years to having to use an OS like macOS or especially Windows, it really does feel like using a computer with padded walls and safety scissors so you don't hurt yourself. You do get used to the limitations eventually, but for technical users it's a pretty noticeable step down in terms of how you may use and configure your own system. Calling them "not real operating systems" is definitely a little cheeky, but it resonates, and isn't out of character for a blog post about configuring your browser with JSON overrides.
- bayesnet 27d ago
  > … for technical users it's a pretty noticeable step down in terms of how you may use and configure your own system It’s such a frustrating experience on both ends—I use macOS for most of my work because I like the hardware it ships on, but it is so annoying to not be able to, like, use a different window manager (hacky accessibility API systems notwithstanding). On the other hand I’ve probably burnt weeks troubleshooting and configuring different compositors/window managers on Arch (and STILL don’t have the setup of my dreams), so it’s frustrating on that end too.
  - coldpie 27d ago
    I have to use macOS for work. The window manager is so bad it makes me feel like a crazy person. They actually ship it like this on purpose?
    - rafram 27d ago
      I imagine you're trying to use it in ways that it's just not designed for. Cmd-`, Cmd-Tab, and Mission Control (Ctrl/Cmd-F3 or three-finger swipe up/down) are powerful enough to do most tasks, especially combined with automatic window tiling.
      - coldpie 27d ago
        Nah, the super long delays and animations are by design and make a lot of features like mission control & workspaces unusable. But, if you can tell me a way to switch between only the two most recent windows (note: I said "windows", not "applications") with a single keyboard shortcut and no animation delays, I'll love you forever.
        eudamoniac 27d ago
        I don't think that's possible but there is a by default unset shortcut to switch between windows of the same application. I set it to command tilde. And there are configs to make animations instant.
        rafram 27d ago
        > there is a by default unset shortcut to switch between windows of the same application. I set it to command tilde. It's set to that by default.
        eudamoniac 27d ago
        Not on mine it wasn't, I assure you. I just set up a new Mac earlier this week.
        frizlab 26d ago
        Natively I don’t think so. macOS thinks in terms of apps, not windows. Personally I prefer that way but I understand how it can be annoying. There’s AltTab to fix that (freemium but open-source).
  - KetoManx64 27d ago
    I have an Asahi Linux M2 macbook that I use for work, tried MacOS for a day and just couldn't stand it compared to the flexibility of Arch + KDE plasma.
- pavel_lishin 27d ago
  It's funny, I use OSX as my daily driver, and going over to Windows is painful - probably as painful as it is for OP to go from whatever they're using to OSX.
- thaumaturgy 27d ago
  I've been daily-driving desktop Linux for close to 15 years, hadn't touched Windows in about 10 years, and then got a job a few months back that requires Microsoft-everything. "Primitive" is the word that comes to mind every day. There's a steady drum-beat of aggravation and missing features and bad design decisions. I lose probably close to thirty minutes of daily productivity to the Microsoft tax. I've been sincerely surprised at how bad it is.
danggggg 27d ago
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throwuxiytayq 27d ago
I don't understand your sentiment - not sure about MacOS, but I'd definitely argue that Windows was much more of a real OS in 2006. These days, it's basically indefensible.
- ad_fontes 27d ago
  It's an intellectually lazy "No true Scotsman." I personally clicked away from the page as soon as I read that line because the author lost my trust in that moment.
  - superdisk 27d ago
    It's really not that intellectually lazy. When you're stuck in the quagmire of daily driving (modern) Windows you almost don't even notice how bad it is, but after being away from it you can come to see how truly patronizing, obnoxious, and asinine the whole OS has become. You get to a point where you see people getting screwed by Windows and complaining about it, and you just think "you're doing this to yourself."

cullumsmith 27d ago

There are some wandering sages who still practice the old ways.

coldpie 27d ago

If you go from using Linux for years to having to use an OS like macOS or especially Windows, it really does feel like using a computer with padded walls and safety scissors so you don't hurt yourself. You do get used to the limitations eventually, but for technical users it's a pretty noticeable step down in terms of how you may use and configure your own system. Calling them "not real operating systems" is definitely a little cheeky, but it resonates, and isn't out of character for a blog post about configuring your browser with JSON overrides.

bayesnet 27d ago
> … for technical users it's a pretty noticeable step down in terms of how you may use and configure your own system It’s such a frustrating experience on both ends—I use macOS for most of my work because I like the hardware it ships on, but it is so annoying to not be able to, like, use a different window manager (hacky accessibility API systems notwithstanding). On the other hand I’ve probably burnt weeks troubleshooting and configuring different compositors/window managers on Arch (and STILL don’t have the setup of my dreams), so it’s frustrating on that end too.
- coldpie 27d ago
  I have to use macOS for work. The window manager is so bad it makes me feel like a crazy person. They actually ship it like this on purpose?
  - rafram 27d ago
    I imagine you're trying to use it in ways that it's just not designed for. Cmd-`, Cmd-Tab, and Mission Control (Ctrl/Cmd-F3 or three-finger swipe up/down) are powerful enough to do most tasks, especially combined with automatic window tiling.
    - coldpie 27d ago
      Nah, the super long delays and animations are by design and make a lot of features like mission control & workspaces unusable. But, if you can tell me a way to switch between only the two most recent windows (note: I said "windows", not "applications") with a single keyboard shortcut and no animation delays, I'll love you forever.
      - eudamoniac 27d ago
        I don't think that's possible but there is a by default unset shortcut to switch between windows of the same application. I set it to command tilde. And there are configs to make animations instant.
        rafram 27d ago
        > there is a by default unset shortcut to switch between windows of the same application. I set it to command tilde. It's set to that by default.
        eudamoniac 27d ago
        Not on mine it wasn't, I assure you. I just set up a new Mac earlier this week.
      - frizlab 26d ago
        Natively I don’t think so. macOS thinks in terms of apps, not windows. Personally I prefer that way but I understand how it can be annoying. There’s AltTab to fix that (freemium but open-source).
- KetoManx64 27d ago
  I have an Asahi Linux M2 macbook that I use for work, tried MacOS for a day and just couldn't stand it compared to the flexibility of Arch + KDE plasma.
pavel_lishin 27d ago
It's funny, I use OSX as my daily driver, and going over to Windows is painful - probably as painful as it is for OP to go from whatever they're using to OSX.
thaumaturgy 27d ago
I've been daily-driving desktop Linux for close to 15 years, hadn't touched Windows in about 10 years, and then got a job a few months back that requires Microsoft-everything. "Primitive" is the word that comes to mind every day. There's a steady drum-beat of aggravation and missing features and bad design decisions. I lose probably close to thirty minutes of daily productivity to the Microsoft tax. I've been sincerely surprised at how bad it is.

danggggg 27d ago

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throwuxiytayq 27d ago

I don't understand your sentiment - not sure about MacOS, but I'd definitely argue that Windows was much more of a real OS in 2006. These days, it's basically indefensible.

ad_fontes 27d ago
It's an intellectually lazy "No true Scotsman." I personally clicked away from the page as soon as I read that line because the author lost my trust in that moment.
- superdisk 27d ago
  It's really not that intellectually lazy. When you're stuck in the quagmire of daily driving (modern) Windows you almost don't even notice how bad it is, but after being away from it you can come to see how truly patronizing, obnoxious, and asinine the whole OS has become. You get to a point where you see people getting screwed by Windows and complaining about it, and you just think "you're doing this to yourself."