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This is a huge problem in EU countries! The relevant regulations are Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2018/389 and the earlier Directive (EU) 2015/2366. W
by renehsz 28d ago
This is a huge problem in EU countries!
The relevant regulations are Commission Delegated Regulation (EU) 2018/389 and the earlier Directive (EU) 2015/2366.
While these laws are deliberately vague when it comes to specific technologies, they do require at least two independent factors from different categories, such as knowledge (password) and possession (phone).
That, in and of itself, wouldn't be a problem. The way most banks implement it, however, is by giving you two choices:
1. You use their mobile app (which likely requires device attestation and Google Play Services, so won't work on a plain LineageOS install)
2. You use their CardTAN device, which is extremely inconvenient to always carry around.
Sure, we nerds might argue they should just let us use our Yubikeys or regular old TOTP, but pretty much no bank implements that. (Why? Your guess is as good as mine.)
Personally, I had to buy a second stock Samsung phone just for banking apps. And yes, there are still alternatives (only very very few though), but no, none of them are convenient, for various unrelated reasons.
I wouldn't be surprised if this continues to spread to the US too, under the sneaky disguise of "security".
- seba_dos1 28d agoI see people from US being surprised when they see success stories by people from EU stating "maybe it's a US thing" and people from EU being surprised when they see success stories by people from US stating "maybe it's a EU thing". In reality, most of time it's just a matter of choosing the right bank wherever you are. I'm writing this on a GNU/Linux phone that does my banking just fine. I'm from the EU.
- renehsz 28d agoWhere I live, the overlap between banks with physical branches and those that don’t require an app or cardTAN is nonexistent - genuinely zero. But maybe I’m just old-school for wanting to have the option to visit a branch.