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I bought the Moto signature a month ago , I already assumed it prolly won't support graphene, since some of the previous replies on X indicate that the graphene

I bought the Moto signature a month ago , I already assumed it prolly won't support graphene, since some of the previous replies on X indicate that the graphene team requires full hardware compliance with their requirements, and the Signature apparently is not compliant yet. Anyway I ended up buying a really good smartphone.. just not a graphene supported haha :( Also this is really great collab from moto & graphene as more vendors will officially recognize Graphene as legit OS (legel/OEM is different concept). I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction...

hypfer 29d ago
They didn't "ban" them, but they did enable some attestation feature that effectively "bans" anything that isn't Google Android. Which still makes you wonder why Volkswagen is so keen on alienating what little is left of their customer base with completely stupid security theater.
- inigyou 29d ago
  Because the EU is run by lawyers and lawsuits. They probably decided there was a risk of being sued for insufficient security if they didn't enable every security feature, and they considered it as zero impact to customers because nobody uses graphene.
  - hypfer 29d ago
    Yes, but that is still very confusing to me, because you're not paying other people money so that they just follow incentives without thinking, vision or backbone. The whole idea of buying something is giving people money for their (assumed correct) judgement, which then leads to desired artifacts downstream.
    - inigyou 29d ago
      No, the idea of buying is that you get something in exchange for money.
      - hypfer 29d ago
        Yes, but not any something, but a specific something shaped by taste.
        inigyou 28d ago
        Just a specific something. Taste has little to do with it.
- tsss 29d ago
  The people at VW don't think about the customer. They are essentially bureaucrats who only live to expand their personal fiefdom in the bureaucracy. I bet that many in the IT-security team would insist that their team doesn't have customers.
- grapheneos 28d ago
  It's fair to say they banned GrapheneOS but they didn't only ban GrapheneOS. It's very rare for apps to specifically ban GrapheneOS but Revolut uses an SDK which tried to do it. We worked around it and Revolut works on GrapheneOS since January 2025 but not for lack of trying to ban it by an SDK they use and it sometimes blocks our users.
  - hypfer 28d ago
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    - grapheneos 28d ago
      > I appreciate the truth more than narratives It is the truth. > Volkswagen did not ban you. They banned GrapheneOS and other non-Google certified operating systems. > Volkswagen probably don't even know that you exist. They're aware of the existence of GrapheneOS. They've received immense pushback for banning it. They have customer support templates for responding to GrapheneOS user complaints. > because like this it's just storytelling Revolut shipped a check for ro.build.user being set to the string "grapheneos" resulting in using the app being blocked. They also banned the yellow verified boot state at the same time but quite notably did not ban the orange verified boot state. This was our release working around it to get the app working again: https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025012600 https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025012600 We know what happened and what we had to do to work around it. It's verifiable that this was shipped by Revolut. > I know of course that uncompromisingly maintaining something that challenges the status quo needs stories to keep the drive alive. It's you who is pushing a false narrative. > Idk man I think you people need grounding. That, or I just need to stop seeing the humanity in you, start seeing you as a software vending machine and applaud your (hate to say it, but) delusions, as those lead to you working harder for stuff that is useful to me. You're not welcome to contact us again after this.
      - hypfer 28d ago
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drnick1 28d ago
> I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction... Why would anyone want a car app? Is being tracked by the car's telematics unit (cellular modem) not enough?

hypfer 29d ago

They didn't "ban" them, but they did enable some attestation feature that effectively "bans" anything that isn't Google Android. Which still makes you wonder why Volkswagen is so keen on alienating what little is left of their customer base with completely stupid security theater.

inigyou 29d ago
Because the EU is run by lawyers and lawsuits. They probably decided there was a risk of being sued for insufficient security if they didn't enable every security feature, and they considered it as zero impact to customers because nobody uses graphene.
- hypfer 29d ago
  Yes, but that is still very confusing to me, because you're not paying other people money so that they just follow incentives without thinking, vision or backbone. The whole idea of buying something is giving people money for their (assumed correct) judgement, which then leads to desired artifacts downstream.
  - inigyou 29d ago
    No, the idea of buying is that you get something in exchange for money.
    - hypfer 29d ago
      Yes, but not any something, but a specific something shaped by taste.
      - inigyou 28d ago
        Just a specific something. Taste has little to do with it.
tsss 29d ago
The people at VW don't think about the customer. They are essentially bureaucrats who only live to expand their personal fiefdom in the bureaucracy. I bet that many in the IT-security team would insist that their team doesn't have customers.
grapheneos 28d ago
It's fair to say they banned GrapheneOS but they didn't only ban GrapheneOS. It's very rare for apps to specifically ban GrapheneOS but Revolut uses an SDK which tried to do it. We worked around it and Revolut works on GrapheneOS since January 2025 but not for lack of trying to ban it by an SDK they use and it sometimes blocks our users.
- hypfer 28d ago
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  - grapheneos 28d ago
    > I appreciate the truth more than narratives It is the truth. > Volkswagen did not ban you. They banned GrapheneOS and other non-Google certified operating systems. > Volkswagen probably don't even know that you exist. They're aware of the existence of GrapheneOS. They've received immense pushback for banning it. They have customer support templates for responding to GrapheneOS user complaints. > because like this it's just storytelling Revolut shipped a check for ro.build.user being set to the string "grapheneos" resulting in using the app being blocked. They also banned the yellow verified boot state at the same time but quite notably did not ban the orange verified boot state. This was our release working around it to get the app working again: https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025012600 https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025012600 We know what happened and what we had to do to work around it. It's verifiable that this was shipped by Revolut. > I know of course that uncompromisingly maintaining something that challenges the status quo needs stories to keep the drive alive. It's you who is pushing a false narrative. > Idk man I think you people need grounding. That, or I just need to stop seeing the humanity in you, start seeing you as a software vending machine and applaud your (hate to say it, but) delusions, as those lead to you working harder for stuff that is useful to me. You're not welcome to contact us again after this.
    - hypfer 28d ago
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drnick1 28d ago

> I heard month ago Volkswagen banned graphene, hopefully we we will see moving things in opposite direction... Why would anyone want a car app? Is being tracked by the car's telematics unit (cellular modem) not enough?