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>With Universal Healthcare the government just provides the funding. And what makes you think that they fund everything? I support universal healthcare as well

>With Universal Healthcare the government just provides the funding. And what makes you think that they fund everything? I support universal healthcare as well (I'm literally Canadian), but I can accept that there are tradeoffs associated with it.

onraglanroad 29d ago
They don't fund everything. They don't fund anything in particular. They provide the funding and the medical professionals decide how best to allocate that funding for the best results. It's a bit different in Canada to my situation in Scotland since there is also the choice of private healthcare here if you want to pay more to skip queues etc.
- matteoraso 29d ago
  Huh? NICE sets a cost-effectiveness threshold of about £20,000-30,000 per QALY gained from a drug[0]. There was even a controversy where a drug for pancreatic cancer was denied funding for this very reason[1]. [0]https://web.archive.org/web/20110925050527/http://www.nice.org.uk/niceMedia/pdf/GuidelinesManualChapter8.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20110925050527/http://www.nice.o... [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20151225115559/http://www.pancreaticcancer.org.uk/latest-news/2015/september/last-hope-dashed-for-access-to-life-extending-pancreatic-cancer-drug-on-the-nhs-in-england/#sthash.PpHk2Lur.dpuf https://web.archive.org/web/20151225115559/http://www.pancre...
  - onraglanroad 27d ago
    NICE is an independent body consisting mainly of medical professionals. It's not made up of MPs. That's exactly my point. How on earth are you still missing this?
    - matteoraso 25d ago
      It's also overseen by the Minister of State at the Department of Health and Social Care. Also, how on Earth do you think insurance companies don't consult doctors on insurance denials?
      - onraglanroad 24d ago
        Which was my point. The overseeing has to do with funding not application. But you're fundamentally dishonest here. You recognise insurance denials but are trying to pretend they don't exist. You're not discussing honestly, you're just a useless waste of space.

onraglanroad 29d ago

They don't fund everything. They don't fund anything in particular. They provide the funding and the medical professionals decide how best to allocate that funding for the best results. It's a bit different in Canada to my situation in Scotland since there is also the choice of private healthcare here if you want to pay more to skip queues etc.

matteoraso 29d ago
Huh? NICE sets a cost-effectiveness threshold of about £20,000-30,000 per QALY gained from a drug[0]. There was even a controversy where a drug for pancreatic cancer was denied funding for this very reason[1]. [0]https://web.archive.org/web/20110925050527/http://www.nice.org.uk/niceMedia/pdf/GuidelinesManualChapter8.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20110925050527/http://www.nice.o... [1]https://web.archive.org/web/20151225115559/http://www.pancreaticcancer.org.uk/latest-news/2015/september/last-hope-dashed-for-access-to-life-extending-pancreatic-cancer-drug-on-the-nhs-in-england/#sthash.PpHk2Lur.dpuf https://web.archive.org/web/20151225115559/http://www.pancre...
- onraglanroad 27d ago
  NICE is an independent body consisting mainly of medical professionals. It's not made up of MPs. That's exactly my point. How on earth are you still missing this?
  - matteoraso 25d ago
    It's also overseen by the Minister of State at the Department of Health and Social Care. Also, how on Earth do you think insurance companies don't consult doctors on insurance denials?
    - onraglanroad 24d ago
      Which was my point. The overseeing has to do with funding not application. But you're fundamentally dishonest here. You recognise insurance denials but are trying to pretend they don't exist. You're not discussing honestly, you're just a useless waste of space.