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I've been using computers for more than 40 years now and the one component I have never seen fail is RAM. All the other bits in a computer I've seen fail.
by forinti 1mo ago
I've been using computers for more than 40 years now and the one component I have never seen fail is RAM.
All the other bits in a computer I've seen fail.
- drum55 1mo agoMost devices never test their memory and don’t have ecc, so you generally never know. Random instability can be fixed by restarting and your program not being in an area with bad bits anymore.
- dgellow 1mo agoWell, you’re lucky. I had to change laptop memory sticks a few times. Though not since they are soldered directly to the motherboard
- cosmic_cheese 1mo agoAnecdotally, RAM failures are more common than they used to be in previous decades, I assume due to increased capacities and smaller process nodes. Looser manufacturing standards may also play a part. The component category I've never seen fail is CPU.
- forinti 1mo agoYou didn't hold on to your Pentium 4 long enough. :-)
- cosmic_cheese 1mo agoMy main machines were PowerPC G3s/G4s/G5s back then with the P4 boxes I had taking secondary/tertiary roles, so that lines up.
- dijit 1mo agoAnecdatum, but mine still works :D
- seanp2k2 1mo agoI've worked in and around datacenters for a few decades now and I've seen pretty much everything fail, but power supplies in particular do so at a higher rate than I expected. I've had one literally start smoking in my home office recently too. Luckily, it didn't damage any components, but it was pretty dramatic and abrupt -- just powered on my desktop and got nothing but a fog machine coming out of the rear fan until I yanked the power cord a few seconds later.
- davkan 1mo agoMy evga 1000w has been going strong for 11 years now. Cheaper power supplies fail often but if you buy quality and oversized they’ll outlast all your other components as they don’t become outdated.
- milesvp 1mo agoIt’s the caps that fail. Electrolytic caps have the highest failure rate of any passive component. My team tries to avoid them in our designs as much as possible. But you’re right, caps in a good design can easily last 20 years, making a power supply the longest lasting component of most builds.
- sva_ 29d agoHad the EVGA 1000w fail on me. It did not fail dramatically though, rather it refused to output high power. Got a replacement under warranty
- derf_ 29d ago> The component category I've never seen fail is CPU. The CPU can fail if the heatsink falls off! That is something that happens (I've had one come off in my hand that was being held on by nothing but hopes and dreams, fortunately not while the CPU was powered on). More likely in a desktop tower form factor.
- account42 29d agoEven that is not guaranteed to break a modern CPU though as they all monitor their thermals and down-throttle (even below way specified minimum speeds) as needed to protect themselves. Not that I'd recommend relying on that but still, I have had cooling fail without apparent damage.
- deadbunny 1mo agoSame, it's either bad to begin with or it's basically immortal.
- kasabali 1mo agoThis isn’t true anymore beginning with DDR4 speeds.
- BenjiWiebe 1mo agoI've seen some fail. Might have had to do with the fact that the computers were literally flooded (river came up faster than the sandbaggers could keep up) while running.
- forinti 1mo agoI've seen computers brought back to life after flooding by lying in rice for a week, but they weren't turned on when the water hit (and not all survived).
- somerandomqaguy 1mo agoI've had a few RAM sticks fail, but the ECC usually caught it first. Also had one case that somehow the stick slightly unseated itself; dunno how but it was out of service for months until someone opened it up and reseated the stick. ...granted though I've also seen a backpane on a server fail. I didn't think that was even possible until that point.
- icedchai 1mo agoI recently had part of a 32 gig DIMM go bad on a 128 gig system. One of the larger VMs was spontaneously rebooting for no apparent reason. I was able to find the addresses with MemTest86 and map out 512 megs of the affected DIMM with the Linux kernel memmap option.
- harhargange 29d agoSo you can still use the hardware via software fix?
- icedchai 29d agoCorrect! Basically, I excluded the bad range so Linux doesn't touch it. It's been stable for weeks now. I should send the DIMM back under warranty.
- dontSendItBack 29d agoDon't send it back. Since they can't easily replace it with new hardware, they will probably refund you the price of purchase. Which is normally a very good deal, but obviously not in these circumstances. I've seen it happen with GPUs as well.
- icedchai 29d agoI'm convinced it's not worth the hassle!
- iwontberude 29d ago[dead]
- trashface 29d agoI had a 2012 mac book pro that burned out 2 different crucial memory sticks. Would have bricked the machine if it was the soldered-on type, but it was the last model apple sold that have swappable memory. Crucial had a lifetime warranty so they replaced them for free. I used to game on it and I think the design just couldn't handle the cpu and dgpu being active for long periods, it would get extremely hot in the area close to where the memory was.
- dilyevsky 29d agoon older PC bios would perform a memory test - you may remember those - and that's where it would mark a bunch of pages dead/unusuable and it was not uncommon at all.
- rwyinuse 29d agoInteresting, I've had two fail already in much shorter time. One was brand new, another quite old.
- zymhan 29d agoYou may literally be the only one.
- Sohcahtoa82 29d agoI've had a RAM stick fail. Granted, I've been building my own computer for 30 years and I've only seen it happen ONCE. But I've seen plenty of other failures: - Two hard drives -- One got dropped on the floor, so it was no surprise, the other was showing degraded performance and SMART showed some scary numbers and I was able to replace it before I lost data. - One GPU, replaced under warranty. - One AIO water cooler, replaced under warranty. Somehow, the water vanished from the loop. I'm guessing a microscopic leak that evaporated as fast as it leaked. - Two power supplies -- One randomly exploded. Just started making popping noises and shooting sparks out the back. At autopsy, I determined that the fan failed (it was hard to spin manually) and it overheated. The other was just being overloaded. I had just gotten a new GPU and the PSU wasn't big enough for it. - Several case fans. Never seen a CPU or motherboard failure, even when my AIO water cooler was failing and my CPU was constantly at thermal limits. Never had an SSD/NVMe failure.
- Symbiote 29d agoI have about 24TiB of RAM on the servers at work. We have had two sticks fail (both soon after purchase) in the last 10 years. After the second, HP replaced all that we had from that batch. HDDs fail every 3-6 months, there's a lot of them (3-4PB). One PSU. One CPU/motherboard. (I let the HP engineer handle that one.) One NVMe drive.
- progval 29d agoAnecdata: a coworker found a single bit flip corruption in a file he wrote in his computer. He ran memtest86 on his memory, and which found one of the two sticks was defective. The computer otherwise ran perfectly fine for years; and we would have never noticed if the file format didn't have built-in checksums.
- e2le 29d agoHow do you know they weren't faulty? Blip flips are usually silent unless you have ECC memory or are actively testing for faulty cells. Somewhat recently, Firefox implemented memory testing in their crash reporter and found 10% of reports were due to bit-flips[0]. If it weren't for reading that HN thread, I would never have being prompted to check and find the faulty memory in my laptop. It would have gone undetected and continued to corrupt whatever was stored in the affected cells. I did run memtest86 not long after I bought the laptop, so sometime between running that first memtest86 and the 12 months after, it developed the fault. Non-ECC memory sometimes fails and there's a good chance you'll never know. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47252971
- account42 29d agoKeep in mind that a passing memtest86 does not prove the absence of faults that could present themselves under different usage patterns.
- TacticalCoder 29d ago> I've been using computers for more than 40 years now and the one component I have never seen fail is RAM. I think over the decades I got one RAM disk fail. And another one didn't fail but, although I bought a pack of four sticks (2x x2), was detected (by memtest, when building the rig), as having another model name than the three others: even the shop who sold me the RAM was confused (don't know how that happened). The usual component that I've seen fail the most would be the PSU? (before I started buying quality ones). One NVMe drive (an "ADATA") died on me even though it was nearly new. PC assembled with quality parts usually last a very long time.
- rewgs 29d agoI've seen plenty of DIMMs fail ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- protocolture 29d agoI used to work in IT recycling, and let me put you at ease, RAM goes all the time. Common scenario: 200 PCs at least 6 years old, often over a decade old, come in on pallets. We pick up the first 50, stack them on benches, and power them on. At least 10 wont post. Of that 10, reseating memory and other little jobs fixes 5. Of the remaining 5, replacing or removing memory gets 4/5 them to post. Testing those sticks in other PCs confirms the RAM is dead. Into the scrap it goes. The remaining PC is dead mobo, PSU or needs a new CMOS battery.
- subscribed 29d agoOh well, it's fairly common.Maybe not in a singular/several rarely used (and not monitored) desktop computers, but.... it's common once you have quite a few under your care.
- dijit 29d agoI've seen every single component of a system fail, the least I've seen fail has been the CPU itself (I've only seen one fail out of thousands). Memory seems to fail pretty commonly overall, less common than harddisks but more common than motherboards. The issue is that I'm used to using ECC ram, which fails loud when it's actually bad.. consumer memory won't tell you unless you can't boot.. and everyone disables the startup memory testing too.. (in fact, I think it's disabled by default for the last 10 years because people want to boot quickly).
- cortesoft 29d agoI was so sure that a CPU wouldn't suddenly fail that I ended up replacing every other part in my computer before getting a new CPU and realizing that was the issue.
- trinsic2 29d agoI also have been using PC's for a long time, thirty years. The only time I have seen ram fail during use was within the last 5 years. My 10th gen platform and 32 gigs of ram DDR4 and one of the sticks failed, this was before the ramapocalypse of course, the sticks were replaced under warranty. But I have had systems in my shop with failed ram. it happens, but its rare, unless its cheap ram, less rare.
- mrheosuper 29d agoi've seen ram fail, some of them are bitflip, some of them just refuse to boot. The only thing i've never seen fail is the Case lol. Air cooler too if you don't count the fan.
- account42 29d agoI have had a RAM stick start frequently failing ECC checks after a couple years use. I also had the VRAM on a GPU fail, but you could blame that one on overheating from the nearby compute core. I agree is rarer though.