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Are you saying the government is an efficient allocator of resources?

no-name-here 1mo ago
Per the study we are discussing -- as well as the results from every single other developed country I believe? -- more efficient when it comes to healthcare, yes.
- johndevor 1mo ago
  If the government is so efficient, why don't we just have them run all our industries?
  - no-name-here 1mo ago
    Because both studies and real-world results from every other developed country show gov is more efficient at healthcare, is your argument that means gov is more efficient in every field?
bobson381 1mo ago
it's that it's 1 Trillion less in incentivized middlemen. A la Graeber.
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GolfPopper 1mo ago
The government does not have the peverse incentive of putting private profit above all other concerns.
- johndevor 1mo ago
  The government is just corrupt politicians and lobbyists. You're fighting to give them more money and power.
  - jkestner 1mo ago
    The government is more directly accountable to me. The only way I have to influence what insurance companies do is through the government.
    - johndevor 1mo ago
      You can switch insurance companies, no?
      - bcrosby95 1mo ago
        I can if I want to switch jobs too. Probably not a good idea given the current economic conditions. I'd be all for forcing a decoupling of these things, but I don't see that anywhere on the table, and it would probably run afoul of politics anyways.
      - preg_match 1mo ago
        No, you can’t.
      - kentm 29d ago
        In many cases, no.
  - bean469 1mo ago
    Sounds like a Ron Swanson quote
- consensus1 1mo ago
  The perverse incentive of the politician / general / bureaucrat to favor their personal interest over the public interest is identical to the perverse incentive of the CEO to favor his personal interest over the same. I would argue the government case is actually much worse because at least the CEO has the feedback mechanism of revenue because the company <> customer relationship is entirely voluntary on both sides. The public vote is supposed to restrain the government in the same way, but in practice it seems to be much less effective in restraining politicians than the customer is at restraining companies.
grim_io 1mo ago
If that wasn't the case, DOGE would have found any waste worth looking at. It was not for a lack of motivation or a lack of cut-throat pursuit, consequences be damned.

Per the study we are discussing -- as well as the results from every single other developed country I believe? -- more efficient when it comes to healthcare, yes.

johndevor 1mo ago
If the government is so efficient, why don't we just have them run all our industries?
- no-name-here 1mo ago
  Because both studies and real-world results from every other developed country show gov is more efficient at healthcare, is your argument that means gov is more efficient in every field?

bobson381 1mo ago

it's that it's 1 Trillion less in incentivized middlemen. A la Graeber.

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GolfPopper 1mo ago

The government does not have the peverse incentive of putting private profit above all other concerns.

johndevor 1mo ago
The government is just corrupt politicians and lobbyists. You're fighting to give them more money and power.
- jkestner 1mo ago
  The government is more directly accountable to me. The only way I have to influence what insurance companies do is through the government.
  - johndevor 1mo ago
    You can switch insurance companies, no?
    - bcrosby95 1mo ago
      I can if I want to switch jobs too. Probably not a good idea given the current economic conditions. I'd be all for forcing a decoupling of these things, but I don't see that anywhere on the table, and it would probably run afoul of politics anyways.
    - preg_match 1mo ago
      No, you can’t.
    - kentm 29d ago
      In many cases, no.
- bean469 1mo ago
  Sounds like a Ron Swanson quote
consensus1 1mo ago
The perverse incentive of the politician / general / bureaucrat to favor their personal interest over the public interest is identical to the perverse incentive of the CEO to favor his personal interest over the same. I would argue the government case is actually much worse because at least the CEO has the feedback mechanism of revenue because the company <> customer relationship is entirely voluntary on both sides. The public vote is supposed to restrain the government in the same way, but in practice it seems to be much less effective in restraining politicians than the customer is at restraining companies.

grim_io 1mo ago

If that wasn't the case, DOGE would have found any waste worth looking at. It was not for a lack of motivation or a lack of cut-throat pursuit, consequences be damned.