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The voting public is not the same as the general public.

throw1234567891 1mo ago
Maybe that general public should move their asses then. Trump and his family is ransacking the US. It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic.
dgellow 1mo ago
If they don’t vote they are ok with the status quo
- sillystuff 1mo ago
  No. There are many reasons to not vote. You are informed, and realize that the Gerrymandering of your district is such that your vote for representatives, literally, will not count. Your state is reliably Red or Blue, so your presidential vote, literally, will not count-- due to the Electoral College. You are informed, and realize that a vote for either of the major party candidates, for national office, is a vote for the status quo of Imperialism, Genocide and the further gutting of the working class to transfer wealth to the already rich. E.g., Harris and Trump were both complicit in genocide. And, Harris, seeking approval of Israel and their agents in the US like AIPAC, the Ellisons, etc., stated that Iran is the greatest adversary of the U.S. There is a non-zero probability we would be fighting Israel's war on Iran even if Harris had won. Democrat Biden still has a higher death toll of murdered children and babies from enabling Israel's genocide of the indigenous Palestinians than Republican Trump, but the number of Palestinian children who's murders were enabled by Trump, is still rising. You are informed and know that the two major parties conspired to eliminate any third-parties or independents from being able to participate in presidential debates, so, (along with oligarch control of media and campaign financing) a faithful D/R servant of the oligarchs / Israel will, likely, always end up the winner. You are informed and know that during a multi-year Princeton/Northwestern University study, not a single piece of legislation was passed by congress that was popular with the population, that did not also have support of a wealthy entity too. And, in every case, legislation which the population opposed, but was supported by the rich/powerful was passed. I.e., congress critters are faithful servants to their masters who dole out the campaign funding-- oligarchs, corporations and Israel. The US, at the federal level, is an oligarchy but still goes through the ritual of voting to pacify the uninformed. You were disenfranchised due to a conviction of a crime you may or may not have committed (many people in the US plead guilty to crimes they did not commit when offered a lighter [often still multi-year] sentence for pleading guilty vs. the threat of a very long sentence / death penalty, if they lose their case in court). You were disenfranchised due to gerrymandering (redundant to a point above, but puts a finer point on the issue). Your vote was suppressed by the closing of polling places in your low income area, so a massive number of people must share a single, inconvenient, polling location with a multi-block line. Compare to the wealthy area with multiple polling stations within a few blocks of each other. (Per Trump's statements), In upcoming elections, heavily armed and masked Brown Shirts ^H^H^H ICE agents will be stationed at the entrance to polling places to intimidate people with too much melanin into not showing up and voting-- and, harass those who do. ... I still vote for the local elections, but the outcomes of federal and state offices are effectively predetermined in my district/state. So, my 3rd party / independent votes don't even register with the controlling major party as a protest vote-- they don't need to care that I am dissatisfied with their rule, and they don't.
  - jacquesm 29d ago
    And then there is that one reason to vote anyway: things can always get worse if you don't.
9dev 1mo ago
This is not an excuse for anything. A democracy doesn’t come for free, but requires active participation from everyone.

Maybe that general public should move their asses then. Trump and his family is ransacking the US. It would be funny if it wasn’t tragic.

dgellow 1mo ago

If they don’t vote they are ok with the status quo

sillystuff 1mo ago
No. There are many reasons to not vote. You are informed, and realize that the Gerrymandering of your district is such that your vote for representatives, literally, will not count. Your state is reliably Red or Blue, so your presidential vote, literally, will not count-- due to the Electoral College. You are informed, and realize that a vote for either of the major party candidates, for national office, is a vote for the status quo of Imperialism, Genocide and the further gutting of the working class to transfer wealth to the already rich. E.g., Harris and Trump were both complicit in genocide. And, Harris, seeking approval of Israel and their agents in the US like AIPAC, the Ellisons, etc., stated that Iran is the greatest adversary of the U.S. There is a non-zero probability we would be fighting Israel's war on Iran even if Harris had won. Democrat Biden still has a higher death toll of murdered children and babies from enabling Israel's genocide of the indigenous Palestinians than Republican Trump, but the number of Palestinian children who's murders were enabled by Trump, is still rising. You are informed and know that the two major parties conspired to eliminate any third-parties or independents from being able to participate in presidential debates, so, (along with oligarch control of media and campaign financing) a faithful D/R servant of the oligarchs / Israel will, likely, always end up the winner. You are informed and know that during a multi-year Princeton/Northwestern University study, not a single piece of legislation was passed by congress that was popular with the population, that did not also have support of a wealthy entity too. And, in every case, legislation which the population opposed, but was supported by the rich/powerful was passed. I.e., congress critters are faithful servants to their masters who dole out the campaign funding-- oligarchs, corporations and Israel. The US, at the federal level, is an oligarchy but still goes through the ritual of voting to pacify the uninformed. You were disenfranchised due to a conviction of a crime you may or may not have committed (many people in the US plead guilty to crimes they did not commit when offered a lighter [often still multi-year] sentence for pleading guilty vs. the threat of a very long sentence / death penalty, if they lose their case in court). You were disenfranchised due to gerrymandering (redundant to a point above, but puts a finer point on the issue). Your vote was suppressed by the closing of polling places in your low income area, so a massive number of people must share a single, inconvenient, polling location with a multi-block line. Compare to the wealthy area with multiple polling stations within a few blocks of each other. (Per Trump's statements), In upcoming elections, heavily armed and masked Brown Shirts ^H^H^H ICE agents will be stationed at the entrance to polling places to intimidate people with too much melanin into not showing up and voting-- and, harass those who do. ... I still vote for the local elections, but the outcomes of federal and state offices are effectively predetermined in my district/state. So, my 3rd party / independent votes don't even register with the controlling major party as a protest vote-- they don't need to care that I am dissatisfied with their rule, and they don't.
- jacquesm 29d ago
  And then there is that one reason to vote anyway: things can always get worse if you don't.

9dev 1mo ago

This is not an excuse for anything. A democracy doesn’t come for free, but requires active participation from everyone.