I've never found these discussions to be all that useful, because it's hard to define what conditions are sufficient to say something is "thinking" or "reasonin

I've never found these discussions to be all that useful, because it's hard to define what conditions are sufficient to say something is "thinking" or "reasoning". It just ends up being circular and metaphysical arguments. That being said, current generation LLMs do have issue, it's more productive to talk about those and their impact on real tasks (long term memory, continual learning, tokenization, context rot, reversal curse, etc)