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That sounds like Anthrophics watermark explanation though.

• LPisGood 1mo ago
  Anthropic’s watermark is just using a known collection of random seeds during output token generation. That’s it. The models always relied on some randomness, here the randomness is fixed and remembered for querying later.
  • thaumasiotes 1mo ago
    > Anthropic’s watermark is just using a known collection of random seeds during output token generation. That’s it. Wouldn't that mean that checking the watermark... (1) Required knowing the prompt used to generate the text; and (2) was just as expensive as generating the text?
    • hdjdbckcnfn 29d ago
      wouldn't it mean reversing the output text into prompt and seed?
  • rcxdude 1mo ago
    It's gotta be a bit more than that, otherwise it would fail if you trimmed even one token off the start of the whole session, let alone removing the prompt entirely. (One approach that's been described is creating a bias in certain token pairs or short sequences: by hashing the previous n tokens, potentially with a secret seed, you create a list of essentially random allowed and disallowed next tokens, then bias the token selection to prefer allowed tokens, so long as they are plausible enough. Then you can check any long-enough subset of the output, if it deviates significantly enough from random chance on following this rule, it was almost certainly generated from a system following these rules.)