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Attaching numbers to people is unbelievably creepy. My identity is not a number. We recoil at the idea of having assigned and tattooed numbers on our bodies and

by po1nt 1mo ago

Attaching numbers to people is unbelievably creepy. My identity is not a number. We recoil at the idea of having assigned and tattooed numbers on our bodies and I don't feel it's okay to do it, just so you could maybe avoid misidentification.

ramraj07 1mo ago
Why did it need to go to tattooed numbers? Also the implication that cultures and countries which have happily accepted id numbers are filled with non individualistic people is it?
- pibaker 1mo ago
  > Why did it need to go to tattooed numbers Many countries have laws about having to carry an ID on you all the time. Not as bad as a tattoo, but still not acceptable IMO. > Also the implication that cultures and countries which have happily accepted id numbers are filled with non individualistic people is it? Are we really gonna keep pretending there are no differences between cultures?
  - Aozora7 1mo ago
    Very few countries require you to carry an ID. Many countries require you to own one and keep it up to date, but don't care whether you carry it outside. Also, I find the point kind of moot for the US where a driving license is essentially an ID card, you have to carry it to drive, and you have to drive to go anywhere in most places.
    - 8n4vidtmkvmk 1mo ago
      In the US, permanent residents technically have to keep their green card on them at all times.
- po1nt 1mo ago
  So that you could not impersonate some other identity. Same in the spirit of carrying a plastic card, just without somebody touching you by force. Either way you are branded forever.
esikich 1mo ago
Is your identity a string of letters? Don't be ridiculous.
- po1nt 1mo ago
  Yes, if there is a set of strings that can uniquely identify you, and you can't have it removed, nor act like somebody else, it's your identity. Even GDPR admits it
  - skywhopper 1mo ago
    So, your name is also this sort of identifier. But an “identifier” is not an “identity” in the way you mean it. Sometimes words are used in multiple ways.
Almondsetat 1mo ago
You are the one somehow conflating an identity card with your actual identity as a self, which seems extremely strange and spurious.
- pibaker 1mo ago
  The one conflating the two isn't the author, but the state. A fixation on the state sanctioned representation of someone's identity instead of the actual, living person himself is exactly what caused TFA's author troubles.
  - goobatrooba 1mo ago
    The problem seems to be that the state has no other way to really identify them differently, also as one of them doesn't exist. An actual identity identifier would have solved this from ever occurring.
  - Almondsetat 1mo ago
    You could ask every company to have a specialized department to handle investigations for these nuanced cases... or you could rely on the state/nation to give you some actual assuranced. National ID solves this. Does Apple have the budget? Yes, but then are smaller companies justified for fucking up? Wouldn't a more objective, verifiable, and automatable procedure be preferred to level the playing field?

by po1nt 1mo ago

ramraj07 1mo ago

Why did it need to go to tattooed numbers? Also the implication that cultures and countries which have happily accepted id numbers are filled with non individualistic people is it?

pibaker 1mo ago
> Why did it need to go to tattooed numbers Many countries have laws about having to carry an ID on you all the time. Not as bad as a tattoo, but still not acceptable IMO. > Also the implication that cultures and countries which have happily accepted id numbers are filled with non individualistic people is it? Are we really gonna keep pretending there are no differences between cultures?
- Aozora7 1mo ago
  Very few countries require you to carry an ID. Many countries require you to own one and keep it up to date, but don't care whether you carry it outside. Also, I find the point kind of moot for the US where a driving license is essentially an ID card, you have to carry it to drive, and you have to drive to go anywhere in most places.
  - 8n4vidtmkvmk 1mo ago
    In the US, permanent residents technically have to keep their green card on them at all times.
po1nt 1mo ago
So that you could not impersonate some other identity. Same in the spirit of carrying a plastic card, just without somebody touching you by force. Either way you are branded forever.

esikich 1mo ago

Is your identity a string of letters? Don't be ridiculous.

po1nt 1mo ago
Yes, if there is a set of strings that can uniquely identify you, and you can't have it removed, nor act like somebody else, it's your identity. Even GDPR admits it
- skywhopper 1mo ago
  So, your name is also this sort of identifier. But an “identifier” is not an “identity” in the way you mean it. Sometimes words are used in multiple ways.

Almondsetat 1mo ago

You are the one somehow conflating an identity card with your actual identity as a self, which seems extremely strange and spurious.

pibaker 1mo ago
The one conflating the two isn't the author, but the state. A fixation on the state sanctioned representation of someone's identity instead of the actual, living person himself is exactly what caused TFA's author troubles.
- goobatrooba 1mo ago
  The problem seems to be that the state has no other way to really identify them differently, also as one of them doesn't exist. An actual identity identifier would have solved this from ever occurring.
- Almondsetat 1mo ago
  You could ask every company to have a specialized department to handle investigations for these nuanced cases... or you could rely on the state/nation to give you some actual assuranced. National ID solves this. Does Apple have the budget? Yes, but then are smaller companies justified for fucking up? Wouldn't a more objective, verifiable, and automatable procedure be preferred to level the playing field?